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Harry RAVEC decision appeal

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smilesy · 08/04/2025 11:15

I thought I would start a separate thread to discuss the court case which started today. I for one am still baffled as to why Harry thinks that his treatment has been unreasonable, given that he no longer lives in the UK, but is still given security on a case by case basis when he visits. This seems perfectly reasonable to me 🤷‍♀️

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Catpuss66 · 11/04/2025 14:11

IcedPurple · 11/04/2025 14:09

Please read the thread.

It's been said at least a thousand times that Harry does in fact get protection.

Now he might but when this first kicked off they withdrew everything with no notice.

IcedPurple · 11/04/2025 14:11

smilesy · 11/04/2025 14:10

Ever get the feeling you are talking to walls? 😆

Yep.

You'd almost think people didn't want to acknowledge the documented facts.

smilesy · 11/04/2025 14:12

Catpuss66 · 11/04/2025 14:11

Now he might but when this first kicked off they withdrew everything with no notice.

Because he moved to Canada and then the US…..

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IcedPurple · 11/04/2025 14:13

Catpuss66 · 11/04/2025 14:11

Now he might but when this first kicked off they withdrew everything with no notice.

Again, that's simply not true.

He was told at the 'Sandringham Summit' that his security arrangements would change when he became a private citizen. They could have chosen to stay in Windsor where they'd have protection, but instead they made sure the Canadian taxpayer was on the hook for their security for months. They are adults and made choices, which have consequences.

DelectableMe · 11/04/2025 14:13

We're just going round with the same arguments now.
Yes, Harry is entitled to protection. No, it's never been removed. Yes, a professional body make decisions. No, no-one is allowed to bring their own armed guards to the UK, nor is the Met Police for hire to any petulant millionaire who fancies to have them at their beck and call.

notimagain · 11/04/2025 14:14

He’s only really visited when expected eg the Coronation and there’s been no leaks in the media about his visit from say people who work at the airports or airfields

From what I saw at airports and on aircraft over the years plenty of high profile VVIPs and even some Royals could quite easily travel under the radar if that is what they wanted..

Munnygirl · 11/04/2025 14:14

IcedPurple · 11/04/2025 14:07

IcedPurple your arguments don’t come across as unbiased and objective as you try and frame them to be when you use phrases like “a bloke who shills for a lifestyle coaching app in California chances to pop over for a few days?”

That's what he is though. And there's no requirement to be 'unbiased and objective', or else you wouldn't be here.

I repeat, Harry is the son of the king and the brother of the heir. He can’t avoid that whether he is working for them officially or not. He isn’t an ordinary private citizen and that’s not his fault.

Which is why he has bespoke security arrangements.

He’s a central royal figure by birth and there would be much public debate if something untoward happened to him, particularly on British soil.

As above, although I wouldn't say he is 'central'. He's a private citizen and constitutionally irrelevant.

Seriously, why are ignoring the fact that you've been told multiple times that Harry does get high level protection when in Britain?

The trouble is that the paps alert the random unhinged people to his presence. As for tours in dangerous countries, I believe H&M are allowed to hire their own security on those occasions, or they liaise with the security of the country they are visiting.

The same is true in Britain. His private security can liase with the authorities, who, unlike in Nigeria or Colombia, have his needs under constant review.

And that’s a pretty low comment about the dc. I am sure their dc’s security is very much a priority for them.

I didn't say it wasn't.

I said that his wife was happy to publicise their whereabouts, which is not a clever move for anyone supposedly 'paranoid' about security.

I notice that you did not respond to my question about taxpayer funded specialist officers being on indefinite standby in case the 5th in line deigns to pop over.

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The only unhinged person in the courtroom was a fan of his!

DelectableMe · 11/04/2025 14:14

IcedPurple · 11/04/2025 14:11

Yep.

You'd almost think people didn't want to acknowledge the documented facts.

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Dear. God. How hard is it to inform yourself of the basics?!

GoldThumb · 11/04/2025 14:15

Catpuss66 · 11/04/2025 14:07

Think this case is only now being heard from 5 years ago. He offered to pay for police protection when in the country ‘they wouldn’t allow him to’ so they wouldn’t give him protection & wouldn’t allow him to pay for it you feel this is ok?

Where are you getting ‘they wouldn’t give him protection’ from?

DelectableMe · 11/04/2025 14:16

GoldThumb · 11/04/2025 14:15

Where are you getting ‘they wouldn’t give him protection’ from?

That's a puzzler, isn't it? As if the Home Office wouldn't protect him!

IcedPurple · 11/04/2025 14:18

smilesy · 11/04/2025 14:12

Because he moved to Canada and then the US…..

Do people seriously think that British police officers should have been deployed on another continent indefinitely, away from their family and friends, just to protect two private citizens who chose to live in California?

Thedom · 11/04/2025 14:21

IcedPurple · 11/04/2025 14:18

Do people seriously think that British police officers should have been deployed on another continent indefinitely, away from their family and friends, just to protect two private citizens who chose to live in California?

and just imagine the overheads of having teams of protection officers living as expats in the US. It would probably mean whole families of the British protection officers having to move abroad on assignment with all the associated overheads of expat families.

IcedPurple · 11/04/2025 14:24

Thedom · 11/04/2025 14:21

and just imagine the overheads of having teams of protection officers living as expats in the US. It would probably mean whole families of the British protection officers having to move abroad on assignment with all the associated overheads of expat families.

It's just not something which could happen. British police officers would not be allowed to carry arms outside of Britain, nor would they have access to intelligence there. So they'd have to liaise with local forces. When the Sussexes were in Canada, they had officers from the RCMP protecting them alongside their own detail. That level of security is just not going to happen for two private citizens who have no official role in any country.

Again, I really don't know what people realistically expected to happen.

BemusedAmerican · 11/04/2025 14:24

Plus, he was sending out the Canadian security for coffee! Talk about a waste of tax payer funds. Can't the man buy an autodrip machine? Bags of Tim Horton's coffee can even be purchased in grocery stores so you brew your own at home.

Snorlaxo · 11/04/2025 14:24

IcedPurple · 11/04/2025 14:18

Do people seriously think that British police officers should have been deployed on another continent indefinitely, away from their family and friends, just to protect two private citizens who chose to live in California?

If he had IPP status then the US would provide security at their cost and risk when he was in the US. His wife and children would get security because they are Harry’s family.

MummyJ12 · 11/04/2025 14:25

Snippetsorwhippetsaway · 11/04/2025 13:02

I was referring to the fact that there are unhinged people out there who make death threats.

Yes, the Sussex Squad.
They are completely unhinged. Just ask their victims of harassment such as Sean Lennon, Alexander Larman of The Spectator, and anyone else that has anything other than fawning admiration for the couple.

IcedPurple · 11/04/2025 14:25

BemusedAmerican · 11/04/2025 14:24

Plus, he was sending out the Canadian security for coffee! Talk about a waste of tax payer funds. Can't the man buy an autodrip machine? Bags of Tim Horton's coffee can even be purchased in grocery stores so you brew your own at home.

I've heard this story but I'm not sure I believe it. They may have asked, but a police officer would absolutely refuse to be used as a skivvy. If anything were to happen in their absence, they'd be in the shit. It's not like the Sussexes were their employers.

IcedPurple · 11/04/2025 14:26

Snorlaxo · 11/04/2025 14:24

If he had IPP status then the US would provide security at their cost and risk when he was in the US. His wife and children would get security because they are Harry’s family.

But he doesn't have IPP status and never will.

He's a private citizen and needs to accept that. He chose this after all.

Snorlaxo · 11/04/2025 14:27

BemusedAmerican · 11/04/2025 14:24

Plus, he was sending out the Canadian security for coffee! Talk about a waste of tax payer funds. Can't the man buy an autodrip machine? Bags of Tim Horton's coffee can even be purchased in grocery stores so you brew your own at home.

If money was no object and a pod machine was too complicated for me then I’d have Deliveroo bring me coffee.
I believe that the royals get takeaways delivered and they drive down to the guard station to pick it up. (A Eugenie interview iirc)

Snorlaxo · 11/04/2025 14:28

IcedPurple · 11/04/2025 14:26

But he doesn't have IPP status and never will.

He's a private citizen and needs to accept that. He chose this after all.

He’ll never be free of his dream of not paying for security and being as important as his brother.

BemusedAmerican · 11/04/2025 14:32

Pretty detailed article, down to safety issues and the Tim Horton runs.

DelectableMe · 11/04/2025 14:34

Thanks, @BemusedAmerican

TheSecondMrsCampbellBlack · 11/04/2025 14:35

IdaGlossop · 10/04/2025 20:57

What we need next is for Harry to be deemed a vexatious litigant. Then he'll have to get permission from the courts if he finds other causes he can make the British public fund him to argue in the courts. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vexatious-litigants Let's start a petition: Make Prince Harry a vexatious litigant.

What a fool he is. He has nine bathrooms when some people in the nation he claims have high regard for him have none because they are homeless. He's made a spectacle of himself this week, after tripping himself up over the Sentebale fiasco two weeks ago. He walks into court surrounded by heavies, runs scared of a woman sitting in court who claims to support him and who may have been an H&M plant, and writes a load of saccharine nonsense for his barrister to conclude her evidence with. And all this when even if the court finds in his favour, he may end up with just the same security arrangement as he has now when Ravec reconveneds to discuss his case.

And to conclude this rant, he's made a 'secret' visit to Ukraine, a war-torn land, and lived to tell the tale.

PLEASE can someone start a petition? I am so cross about this and so will many other people be, how dare he waste taxpayers money like this? I think the govt need to understand how pissed off people are (if indeed people are, it might just be me?!)

CatsWhiskerz · 11/04/2025 14:36

@Catpuss66 - they don't withdraw everything .... Harry was still getting pocket money from pa for months, they had security from the UK and he's always had security when he comes to the UK, he just doesn't want 'that' security he wants it his way or he'll throw his dummy

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