Harry RAVEC decision appeal

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I thought I would start a separate thread to discuss the court case which started today. I for one am still baffled as to why Harry thinks that his treatment has been unreasonable, given that he no longer lives in the UK, but is still given security on a case by case basis when he visits. This seems perfectly reasonable to me 🤷‍♀️

As you can see, I am not legally trained. I read the appeal to the Supreme Court line this morning. It's good to hear the Court of Appeal is the end of the road. We have to hope the judge finds for the government.

Edited for typos.

Who would decide what can and can't go to the Supreme Court, if an application is made, though? I want names 😁

I've been corrected on this. This is not a case that can be referred to the Supreme Court. My bad 😆

the Supreme Court only hears appeals on matters of law that raise issues of public importance. An individual Prince’s challenge to the bespoke arrangements used to determine his security provision is unlikely to meet that test!

But if the Supreme Court refused to let him bring a further case, @Serenster, couldn't he appeal that too?

I don't have your knowledge, but it is after all what he did this time ...

I agree that they miss the entourage and motorcade that someone else has paid for and organised.

What’s the threat? Has that been said?

No, they won't discuss specific security issues because that in itself is a security issue.

But I imagine there's the general level of threat to someone in the public eye, plus the far right racist nutters who don't like that be married someone who isn't white, plus possibly the symbolism to Islamic terrorists that the son of a British King was in active combat against the Taliban.

The biggest threat to Harry isn't actually a threat to Harry it's the potential threat to the Head of State. Although unlike the child of a USA president the King can't really be blackmailed into doing something significant because they have no actual power, and it wouldn't affect the stability of the establishment in the same way as attacking a child of a head of state with actual powers.

the armed security issue (as in why he needs police protection not private) has never made sense to me.

guns are much harder to come by in the UK and he feels safe enough evidentially in the US with his security despite guns being ten a penny. Yes the security are armed, but if some nutter takes a pot shot at you it doesn’t help much if your security can shoot them dead 10 seconds later. So how can he feel less safe in the UK?

of course as others have said it’s nothing to do with safety really and all about ego. It would serve him right if he won the case, RAVEC reconsidered and came to a conclusion that granted him less security provision than he gets now - a not unlikely outcome. I would actually be outraged if his security level was upgraded, given there’s nothing which makes him any more important than other members of the family who get no security at all or only limited security on official business. And arguably they’re more important given they’re working royals.

personally I would be happy if his security was pulled entirely. I believe he would be perfectly safe as a private citizen with private security as the vast majority of wealthy celebrities and other people use. And if he was more discreet about his travel plans he could easily be here and move around without anyone knowing about it.

He's out of his mind (again!) - he isn't even a working royal any more! Entitled plank!

Why can't he give 10 days' notice? Is he given to spur-of-the-moment transatlantic trips as a general rule?

If you want to appeal a decision made against you there is a strict tier of appellate courts (County Court > High Court > Court of Appeal > Supreme Court) and you get two bites of the cherry, as it were, to get permission to appeal. First, you apply directly to the judge who made the decision against you. If they say no, you then get to apply again directly to the court to which you would be appealing.

In Harry’s case, his judicial review started in the Administrative Court, which is a Division of the High Court. He therefore had to apply for permission to the judge who heard his case. That judge refused him permission to appeal, so he then applied directly to the Court of Appeal. They said yes.

That’s quite usual by the way. There’s a fair bit of deference between the courts, and the judges will often let the relevant appeal court make their own decisions about what cases they will take.

I think it is essential that his security is reviewed now. The police are stretched to their limit. When William and Catherine become the King and Queen, he is even less likely to come to England with his family. This is all shouting into the void.

Yes, stoically and affably doing his duty as a man in his 70s suffering from cancer, and having treatment for it, and just getting on with it contrasts sharply with his entitled, whinging son. The comparison couldn't be more stark. Not to mention his grifting, bullshitting, tacky daughter-in-law!

It's all about the sausages, isn't it?

there are no lows when it comes to Harry, sources close to him and the people reporting he couldn't go to the the wedding at the weekend due to lack of security. He so happy to leak to the press on his own movements.

What an absolute dick he has turned out to be when left to his own devices?!

It's a question obviously thrown out because they think he is a dick.

Did Harry's barrister really talk for the whole two hours and 30 mins? 😬 I just scrubbed through the bit I was unable to watch live and it looked like it?

Based on his behaviour over the last few years, I think the fact that he is a dick is now in no doubt.

Contrast his behaviour with the dignified stance of his brother and sister-in-law, his father, his stepmother, his late grandparents, god knows even his late mother for all her affairs and courting of the press, etc and all you can see is the race to the bottom of him and his grasping wife, and his utter lack of dignity or grace. He is an utter embarrassment. I used to have a lot of time for him in years gone by.

Here - about Harry missing a close friend's wedding. The chap may not care but it does look a bit like Harry can pitch up to London when he feels like it.
I do think if H loses this case there could well be some "I can't bring my children to the UK now" type statement / leak. Which is sad for his father but really I think scant few will care. The wedding was in Chelsea - there I would have thought H was more in danger of getting his watch or his mobile phone stolen than anything more serious. 😂. (not to say muggings etc aren't distressing )
www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-14585517/Prince-Harry-skipped-wedding-one-band-brothers.html

Yes he forgets the royal family diary is booked up 12 months in advance, appointments, travel, holidays etc very little wiggle room, so easy for arrangements to be made. Harry who is just aimlessly drifting is available on 5 mins notice if he is out of bed. If he can't pre plan his diary 10 days in advance then he is even dimmer than I realised.

Special Protection also look after politicians and visiting dignitaries etc. So they are not hanging around waiting for Harry to decide to pop up. I think 10 days notice is very reasonable. It was going to be 28 originally I think. Harry keeps moving the goalposts and finding problems that are not there. Because he doesn’t want anything but that which he can’t have

He could easily have gone to that wedding. I am certain that the invitation gave him more than 10 days notice. He could have done his usual - arrive by private jet, be welcomed into the VIP lounge, private limousine to the event. Reverse that to go home.
It would have been risk assessed and he would have had appropriate security protection, paid for by the taxpayer.

Yes, I think that's the key issue.

Also, while his security may be armed in America, they are still just private citizens with no special rights or privileges. So they can only use arms in accordance with the relevant state laws, just like anyone else.

I once went to the wedding of a friend, who married the son of a then senior - and controversial - government minister. There was security provided for obvious reasons, and the couple had to provide details months ahead. Harry is insistent that he is suffering from unfair and unjust treatment. He hasn't the wit to reflect on any of his situation or circumstance.