Harry RAVEC decision appeal

[smilesy]

I thought I would start a separate thread to discuss the court case which started today. I for one am still baffled as to why Harry thinks that his treatment has been unreasonable, given that he no longer lives in the UK, but is still given security on a case by case basis when he visits. This seems perfectly reasonable to me 🤷‍♀️

Quite. He knows when his kids school holidays are, when his families birthdays are, Trooping the colour, Xmas get together, summer Balmoral, charity patronage meetings etc. And when the sad day comes and the King dies I'm pretty sure they'll put together last minute security for that anyway. Moaning about 10 days notice is ridiculous.

Things sound better for him in the US as the guns he wants are legal there. I wonder if they have guns at home? A friend in the US carries a gun in her handbag. You can buy guns in the supermarkets. He sounds integrated into the US gun culture which isn’t a feature of the UK. How do US celebs manage when they visit the UK?

I haven't really been following this. Too too annoying. When is the decision and is he likely to win.

They obey the law. If there are any security concerns (eg Taylor Swift) then appropriate security is provided. Celebrities are allowed to bring security personnel, but obviously they can't be armed.
No-one seems to complain or make a fuss, or believe that the UK taxpayers should foot any bill for security on their terms.

It may not be for some time.

I think the hearing only lasts two days. It may be some time before a decision is given. Possibly a few weeks

That makes sense. Perhaps H&M could believe that they are celebs and follow what the famous people do for security whilst in the UK.

Yes but does William have to give 10 days notice ??
Not going to his friend’s wedding ( one of the so called Band of Brothers) because of a lack of security is pretty low even for Harry !

No, William doesn't, because his security is different. The King and the Prince of Wales have top level security, for obvious reasons.
However, William's diary is planned a long time in advance, so he'd probably give many months notice for such an event.
He went to the Duke of Westminster's wedding, no problem.

Unlikely! They seem to believe that they are equivalent in status and role to the monarch and the heir to the throne.
Extraordinary.

Agree but it seems to me that Harry is fighting for whatever William has .
It will be interesting to see what happens if his Appeal is rejected .,

You are right. However, we are talking about a Home Office decision here, with massive costs. It's not about what you fancy, or what your levels of paranoia and bitterness have brought you to. It's what an official security department decide, based on needs.

He's just trying h to make a stupid point that no one cares about!
Honestly, I really hope one of these judges gives him a good dressing down for this complete waste of time, money and resources. He's an entitled little twat, throwing his toys out of the pram, I suspect antlyone walking down The Strand yesterday/today are at high risk of treading on Lego and stickle bricks strewn all over the floor

It is a complete waste of time, effort and resources, I agree, @CatsWhiskerz .
He doesn't care. It's only taxpayers money.

It’s really odd. They left the royal family and so they should be living accordingly. It’s like someone leaving the family business and going to court to get the perks they think they should be getting even though they wouldn’t possibly have had these perks. Does Zara and family have armed security everywhere they go? They are higher profile imho due to their sporting achievements.

No, they don't. They have no taxpayer funded security. Only the King and the Prince of Wales do, the others eg Anne, Edward and Sophie, only when doing official royal engagements.

Archie is turning 6 next month, so must be in school now, too. That’s another indication of how unrelatable their lifestyle is - once our oldest child started school all spontaneity went out the window as we needed to work around school commitments and term times (even though we had after-school childcare help). I guess in Harry’s world that all just happens and doesn’t impact his own lifestyle at all.

@BasiliskStare He does get security though. He gets it on a bespoke basis. He didn’t go to that wedding to make a point. Whether they want DC with Charles and the wicked Queen is another matter. Again such a visit would be catered for. I truly hope the Court of Appeal upholds the High Court decision. There has to be an end to Harry manipulating his Royal lineage when he does no “work” for them or this country in order to get what he wants.

You're right, @Serenster . His lack of awareness is really on another level. Every person needs to plan ahead and book things in. Usually more than 10 days!

Unfortunately, Harry is unwilling to acknowledge the reality of his situation because he truly believes that he is that important. He simply cannot comprehend that the fact that he is the king’s son is no longer as relevant as it once was, given that William has three children. Nor can some of his supporters. Just being a prince of the realm doesn’t entitle you to have bells and whistles security if you no longer carry out official duties and much less so if you no longer live in said realm. I do think that it is also possible that hat Meghan has said she will not allow the children here without security and this may be behind his claims to some extent, although, given that he will be given security with 10 days notice, this excuse is looking thin

Thanks. I really hope he is told no.

If Meghan has said that she won't allow the children to come to the UK "without security" then she is very badly informed.
Of course they will have security - and to a high level. Either she is very ignorant, or Harry is feeding her lies, or they're both so deluded and paranoid, there's nothing anyone can do.

I have good news - you’ll get names!

If Harry loses his case it’s likely he’ll apply for permission to appeal to the Supreme Court. He has to apply to the Court of Appeal first, and if they say yes, then his appeal will proceed.

It’s not that likely that they would grant an appeal on judicial review as limited in scope as this one (though anything is possible!). If they say no, Harry then gets to apply directly to the Supreme Court for permission.

The Supreme Court website helpfully lists all the applications made to it, and the outcomes, whether permission is granted or not. And names the judges who made the decisions. You’ll see the reasons given for declining is that the Permission to Appeal (PTA) application doesn’t have a point of law at issue, or raise matters of public importance.

If the Supreme Court says no, that’s it - no further appeals are possible.

https://supremecourt.uk/news/permission-to-appeal-february-2025

She knows they will have security. IMO it’s just an excuse. One that Harry is willing to accept because the alternative that she just won’t let the children come on their own with him is less palatable to him

Nail on the head, @smilesy .