Is there another couple in the world like The Sussexes?

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I was musing last night about this aspect - they had the world at their feet. Despite what Sussex Supporters like to suggest most people in the UK nodded their heads " yes it was lovely Harry was getting married finally" . I had never heard of the bride myself as I don't watch American tv shows of that ilk. She was black or biracial? It didn't even enter my head what colour she was initially and then as coverage started it didn't make one iota of difference one way or the other. I recall the day of the wedding - it was sunny and the pubs were full of royal cheer broadcasting the wedding.

And then it all started to where we are today.

Are there any other couples in the world who have gone through such a downfall? Is this a feature of the social media arena today?
We see P Diddy and Blake Lively and others exposed now through SM.
You can't count the Duke and Duchess of Windsor in this category as they were always unpopular.

Can you think of any examples of people who have fallen so spectacularly?

I know people say " they live in California, they have money blah blah" but their reputation is one that most people would not want.

Is it purely because of their seeming complaining and sense of entitlement ? I mean you don't see the real philanthropists in this way - in fact you rarely hear about them and what they do.

Yep, knew it was going to be this nonsense again.

How many times do people need it explained to them that all wives of kings are Queens Consort, known as Queen Name and that referring to Camilla as Queen Consort is nothing specific to her, nothing different to the late Queen Elizabeth II's own mother, grandmother, great-grandmother etc? It is also entirely normal and expected that whilst remaining Queen Consort she is also referred to and crowned as Queen Camilla. Just the same as Catherine will be in the future.

Not this again.

“Queen Consort” is her position. Because she is Queen by virtue of being the wife of The King, and so is not Queen Regnant in her own right (as QEII was)

“Her Majesty the Queen” is the title of every woman who has held the Queen Consort position. Or the Queen Regnant. It’s how you address the Queen.

Don't bother @DappledThings , it's been explained extensively over and over again, no one listens.

If people wonder why anyone cares about H+M, surely it's even more bizarre that people are still upset that Camilla is the queen and gets called that? And the colluding in the grooming of a 19-year-old stuff is next level deranged, right up there with my mother was basically murdered 😬

It's particularly annoying as this isn't ancient history, a lot of us were around when all these things happened and saw it first hand !

Yes, quite!

I don’t really follow royal stuff, but Harry and Meghan are by far my favourites. I’m not sure why it’s so controversial that they wanted out of England but I support it—she faced foul racism from the public as well as the usual bs that comes with being notable.

This isn’t meant to start an argument, but I am curious why so many people hate her. I think there are far worse members of the family to be focused on, if that’s your thing.

I'm curious as to this foul racism she experienced?
Apart from two headlines and an awful tweet from Danny baker , where are the rest?
Honestly would love someone to share it , so we can judge ourselves.

This isn’t meant to start an argument, but I am curious why so many people hate her. I think there are far worse members of the family to be focused on, if that’s your thing.

I mean you might just as well ask why some people have H+M as their favourites. They have really put a lot of themselves out there, lots of words and behaviour and evidence of what they're like - people come to their own conclusions and not all of them will be the same as yours 🤷‍♀️

I think hate is pushing it a bit but surely you have heard an inkling of why people don't like them, is it really sooooo amazing? 🤔

NB here's another one using England instead of UK... and who doesn't follow royal stuff but Harry and Meghan are their faves. Even I can see this now and practically everything goes over my head 🤦‍♀️

I'm a bit slow on the uptake too it seems!! , didn't notice till you posted that .

I don’t believe you’re a journalist your SPAG is appalling

Agree and as I said it removes validity.

Vanity Fair is a well-respected publication in the US and the writer is a well-respected journalist. The VF story has been picked up by several other serious news outlets in the US.

It is not unusual for a journalist to protect sources, which is all that is happening here. This journalist will have verified each claim with at least two other reliable sources before publication. The VF article also passed "legal," which means the lawyers, whose job it is to ensure that H&M have no grounds to sue, also verified all claims before publication. Also, H&M were given the opportunity to refute every claim in the article, which they declined to do.

This is going back some years but it was pretty noted at the time how much racially motivated abuse she was getting from the general public, especially online? I feel like that will be available to find online but I even remember people in person being disturbed or disappointed he married someone who wasn’t white.

Does there need to be more though, really? Three very public incidents are more than enough to feel sorry for her, never mind the general public.

@pilates

Ex journalist, was written very clearly.

I'm not convinced you can read proficiently.

You realise you just provided the cue for the rehashibg of how unfairly poor M was treated regarding avocados, the bump-cradling, and all rest....

They’re my favourite, probably because of my generation. I’m closer in age to them and knew of her before they got married. My older cousin was obsessed with Harry- it’s really not deep. Remember, I’m not an avid follower of the royals; I only know a tiny portion of what everyone has said or done. I wasn’t trying to start an argument; I just wanted to understand better why it seems like everyone unanimously hates them/her, because from what I know, she had a hard time and he was supportive of her.

We know that this abuse was racially motivated - how?

We know it all emanated from salty Brits - how?

What racial abuse was she getting in the UK that was NOT online? Got any links to reports of not-online racial abuse during her time in the UK? I can't imagine Plod turning a blind eye.

And the abuse she is getting online these days? Is it all still racially motivated? None of it emanating from the US?

Oh, and if you remember people in.person being disturbed about H marrying someone who was not white, you might want to reflect on the company you keep. I don'tvremember a single person of my acquaintance who cared.

Aye @Rhaidimiddim , I do now but still struggle to understand how those things are racism?
Criticism about behaviour and actions and own words isn't racism.

And it seems my answer is vague... other people noticed and probably online!
Well hate to nitpick but that isn't proof and online is global so obviously not specific to the U.K. .

I'm fed up of this continuous nonsense, the vast majority in the U.K. don't care or notice skin colour, we are surrounded by friends and others , it doesn't register, obviously you will get a small amount of bigotry from a small percentage but that's true of any country.

It seems that some can't fathom that some people don't like Meghan because of Meghan regardless of her skin tone , and I will add a lot of posters here are not white either, despite the blanket assumption on here.

Remember, I’m not an avid follower of the royals; I only know a tiny portion of what everyone has said or done. I wasn’t trying to start an argument; I just wanted to understand better why it seems like everyone unanimously hates them/her, because from what I know, she had a hard time and he was supportive of her.

I think there is a clue there.. from what you know, but you only know a tiny portion? So maybe find out some more about it, I expect if you look really hard you can find some info 👍

By "supportive" do you mean that time when Meghan was suicidal and Harry wouldn't get her any help? Or maybe when she was in labour and he took all the gas and air? Or when he went on tv and said that she was wrong about the RF being racist, it was merely unconscious bias and anyway Lady Hussey didn't mean any harm?

I’m not saying that criticism is racism, I’m saying racism is racism and that is what I was talking about.

I wanted to hear some other reasons people don’t like her, it was just curiosity, I don’t know these people or care enough to let it affect me emotionally but people get so defensive on the subject there must be a reason.

See I have never heard about any of this, my news sources only really cover the royals when someone has a baby or dies and the only person I know that cared to talk about the royals has passed. I have heard of bad things he’s done in the past which makes that check out, she was the main reason I liked them anyway.

Can you not see thats what I came here to do, find out some more information, and ask people that know far more than I do?

Those threads were horrific.

For goodness sake just stop it.