Why does the interview with H&M cause more anger and upset than the interview with Prince Andrew?

[KarenNotAKaren]

To preface - Im not a fan of Harry. Meghan I can give or take i think she mostly a victim to a husband who perhaps didn’t paint a full picture of what royal life is like and with her being American that way an easy thing to do.

Yes the Harry and Meghan interview contained porkie pies (about ‘getting married properly’, meh so what) and pretty shocking claims about racism and was full of total misunderstandings of royal protocol - such as going to HR for mental health help and then being confused when they point out you aren’t an employer. But I do feel it was their truth as to what they believe happened. I believe their behaviour is absolutely entitled and grotesque (Harry moaning about daddy cutting him off, mate your a 40yo millionaire read the room) but their anger stems from feeling genuinely wronged by people they love.

The Prince Andrew interview - he told great big fat barefaced lies that a 5yo would make up (“Oh well that can’t be true because I Erm…don’t sweat?”). All to cover up the fact he had sex with trafficked teenagers. He lied about his dodgy friendships, about medical conditions, about meeting women whose silence he later paid for. It’s absolutely outrageous that this interview as barely ever spoken about, he’s a TERRIBLE liar and I like H&M it’s not his truth it’s just a great big stonking fat lie from a nasty little pervert with an enormous sense of entitlement who has been treated pretty well and protected by mummy

Why do people get angrier about the interview if a (admittedly a bit of a tone deaf and stonking rich) couple who were actually just a bit sick of being harassed by the press and having their baby’s looks critiqued, than they do about an actual sex offender lying in his?

Frenzy. Outrage. Hate.

In the same vein, see also New York high speed near catastrophic car chase.

Equally laughable.

All Omid-style spin/word fluffage designed to rub folk up the wrong way.

Although I suppose that is somewhat different to an actual fluffer…

All the youth won't even know William ever had a brother. He will be forgotten about.

Most kids don't know Charles has any siblings to be fair. They know about the Wales kids, they are the ones that matter and the King.

Poor you to feel so strongly about someone you don't know

I think that probably the only thing that bothers Andrew is that he doesn't get to parade in fancy uniforms any more (so he's the odd one out, because Charles, Anne & Eddie all do, which must gall him no end). I would imagine he's quite happy with no duties to perform, although he may miss the opportunity to show himself off to the plebs as an arrogant, patronising twit. Whether taxpayers should support him in this is another matter entirely - but I suppose he's left it too late to do a job of work elsewhere. He'll probably continue to idle away his time at Royal Lodge for the rest of his natural life - heaven forbid he should find something useful to do and I wouldn't think he's tried very hard.

The first you could also say about Kate. She was also cheated on and treated badly by William but stuck it out.
Second, she is American and was brought up in LA. That is almost entirely screen actors. Stage actors are nit as common as here, where virtually everyone starts on stage.
She married a Royal. When the Royals spend millions on coronations/funerals/weddings its good for the economy, until Mrghsns wedding apparently.
I do agree with the previous post that Harry is driving this. But as he's a Royal he can't possibly be to blame. He has to he led astray by the nasty all powerful mixed race American actress.

One would wonder what he can do that wouldn’t kick up a fuss? Public attitude is...go away and don't be seen. We tolerate you on family occasions. There is absolutely no tolerance left for him. Hopefully he has made himself useful in Fergies recovery and is an involved grandparent.

Some posters dislike has just grown over the years because of how she is, a strong woman, American, divorced, warm and huggy, word salad, and not prepared to take nonsense from anyone. She is not warm. Quite the opposite in fact. I was one of those who disliked her from the beginning right from the engagement interview. I cannot help my reactions to people. I feel the same about Amanda Holden if that helps.

Angrycat, I thought the “Kate was cheated” on thing was a fabrication pushed by Giles Coren who then later fessed up.

You are correct but it doesn’t stop people repeating the false accusation.

This ^^

Most people don't give a damn about any of it. The Mail and similar tries to make out that they do. The crowds at the mall on special occasions are a tiny minority. Why anyone would be more bothered about a black woman than a lying paedophile, I can only imagine, but it's probably racism in some cases and not upsetting the apple cart in others.

So YOU know her then?

Everyone knows Andrew is a knob. Harry just keeps proving his a knob again and again.

We all agree Andrew is a shit. He should move but it seems his lease is watertight.

Some people think Harry’s a poor misunderstood wee little lad rather than a knob and thus the debate continues.

Re Andrew’s living arrangements: would you want him moving in next to you?

You are correct but it doesn’t stop people repeating the false accusation.

Posting about W&K is just an attempt to goad. It’s been done to death. 🥱

Please quote all of what I said instead of just a part of it. I clearly stated "playing devil's advocate" and later that this was NOT my belief.

However op wrote about H&M truths as if that was acceptable. If she wants there to be sides of truth we also have to entertain the idea that PA has his version of truth.

Thank you for being honest, that's all I can say. I just always like to think I give people a chance. I've been caught out with first impressions more than once. Thinking... I don't like this person, then the more I get to know them, I am cross at jumping to the wrong conclusion because they are actually really nice... and instead of thinking they were aloof, snobby, irritating or whatever... they are actually shy, nervous and held back.

That would be a no

Before they were married, he strung her along, chased other women, allowed his friends to call her names, etc. I wasn't thinking of the whateverhernameis allegations. I doubt Coren would make up something like that. More likely, he backtracked sharpish. But I don't think William is the type to have a long-term love affair like his father. A few bunk ups? Who knows.

I understand all of that. Mine is the opposite Ive often been taken in by good looking charmers in the past. So no more

I honestly did like her. She shone at her engagement interview I thought and seemed a really good fit, being an actress who wouldn’t be phased by being in public, plus the fact that she was older and more confident. I loved the wedding.

My doubts crept in with the baby shower. It was the merching going on - goody bags and wotnot with named stuff. Not the end of the world, but a little too Kardashian.

And then… Sussex Royal. Say no more. And the fact that deals with Oprah/Netflix were in the pipeline well before any “stepping back”. After that I think they have generally behaved poorly.

As for Andrew, I had a date back in the dark ages with one of his naval colleagues. He said Andrew was obnoxious. I’ve always though there was some fishiness about his private life - never remarrying, still hanging out with the weird wife… hmmmm….

Completely disagree. That was not the case. Meghan was welcomed with open arms. People were pleased that the seemingly affable Harry had found love. The turning point came with that terrible tone-deaf interview she gave in was it Africa?

Yes, just look back on the coverage of the wedding - all hugely enthusiastic and positive with huge crowds!

If there is anger and not sure there is is it because Prince Andrew was interviewed in such a way he was clearly a liar ( with potential criminal l behavior in his past) with instant loss of credibility.

While H&M interview been slower to show the lies and the erosion of their credibility over a much longer period of time - as they back tracked and things emerged and their behaviour later - more people feel deceived by them.

I initially though Meghan was great - first sign perhaps were tone deaf comments on African tour and unfortunately for them people have started making money on stoking their unpopularity since then. I don't think they are hated though - mocked and like a car crash people feel compelled to watch - even now I think it could be turned round with humour and different approach just don't think they can do it though.

I think you are both right. I realise now that there were some people who were indeed unpleasant about, and to, Meghan, right from the start, but I wasn't looking in those places, or aware of it then. I think there was another set of people who were very pleased for them and wished them well.

I defended Meghan one morning when a couple of women were going on about the fact that she didn't whizz out of hospital with a baby in her arms 'like they always do'. I didn't defend her by the time we got to the Oprah interview.

Some people vote Labour, some Tory. It was possible for MM to be welcomed warmly by some and to be treated very nastily by some others, all at the same time.