Why does the interview with H&M cause more anger and upset than the interview with Prince Andrew?

[KarenNotAKaren]

To preface - Im not a fan of Harry. Meghan I can give or take i think she mostly a victim to a husband who perhaps didn’t paint a full picture of what royal life is like and with her being American that way an easy thing to do.

Yes the Harry and Meghan interview contained porkie pies (about ‘getting married properly’, meh so what) and pretty shocking claims about racism and was full of total misunderstandings of royal protocol - such as going to HR for mental health help and then being confused when they point out you aren’t an employer. But I do feel it was their truth as to what they believe happened. I believe their behaviour is absolutely entitled and grotesque (Harry moaning about daddy cutting him off, mate your a 40yo millionaire read the room) but their anger stems from feeling genuinely wronged by people they love.

The Prince Andrew interview - he told great big fat barefaced lies that a 5yo would make up (“Oh well that can’t be true because I Erm…don’t sweat?”). All to cover up the fact he had sex with trafficked teenagers. He lied about his dodgy friendships, about medical conditions, about meeting women whose silence he later paid for. It’s absolutely outrageous that this interview as barely ever spoken about, he’s a TERRIBLE liar and I like H&M it’s not his truth it’s just a great big stonking fat lie from a nasty little pervert with an enormous sense of entitlement who has been treated pretty well and protected by mummy

Why do people get angrier about the interview if a (admittedly a bit of a tone deaf and stonking rich) couple who were actually just a bit sick of being harassed by the press and having their baby’s looks critiqued, than they do about an actual sex offender lying in his?

Also @CurlewKate wouldn’t exactly have made her point that people are racist if she hadn’t mentioned the fact that Meghan is mixed race.

Well she needs to think before she posts. There's better ways of wording things unless you want to look like a racist.

I think people are used to excusing the antics of men of a certain age. Lots of “funny uncles” in years gone by.

But it doesn’t change the fact that in his opinion his intentions weren’t sexist (FWIW you are right it’s sexist!). That’s what I mean about their truths. Perhaps a better word would be ‘their interpretation’ of the fall out

Really? So the below wouldn’t have made the same point?

What is it about Meghan, who is mixed race, that makes people so cross? Hmm. I wonder.....

Yes - which is what I meant she had to mentioned the race element.

A bit of an overreaction IMO to a hastily typed out sentence. It’s a post on MN not a formal press release. We all know what she meant and the racism accusation is ludicrous.

Oh for goodness sake it's not because she is 1/4 black that people think Meghan is awful. She can be 1/4 black AND awful at the same time. I thought this had been established ages ago that it's racist to use race to excuse people for being a twat.

H&M interview was deliberately aimed at attacking other people. Andrew's was deliberately aimed at defending himself. In neither interview have the accusations from (H&M to the Royal family) or to (Virginia Guiffre to Prince A) been proven. So they are both ridiculous.

I didn’t realise it was a competition.

I was disgusted/horrified/furious by the PA interview and his behaviour which is highly triggering for me. The fact that he (and the others) are still free to move about is beyond shocking but sadly not surprising.

M&H inhabit a completely different sphere - their behaviour is utterly bonkers and the lies they come out with is the sort of thing that makes for fun reading online during a boring Teams call. The South Park episode was comedic genius and hit the target perfectly - that for me sums up the pair of them. They’re the gift that keeps giving.

Their intention doesn’t matter.

Sexism isn’t about the intent. Just like racism isn’t about the intent. It’s about the impact.

The man wouldn’t be interpreting anything either. The fall out isn’t his to interpret. He was sexist. He could just say ‘yes, I see that isn’t ok to say’

But how do you know what @CurlewKate intended @KarenNotAKaren?

And yet Prince Pervert laid off Virginia Guiffre. Why? If he never even met her and she doctored that photo?

I mean if you ask me that interview was a total attack on his victims, Epstein’s victims and all sex trafficking victims. It just wasn’t as obvious

Because I have a brain?

Poor answer @KarenNotAKaren

The nation was unanimous in its view of Andrew. Shocked, disgusted, nothing to argue about. It's not clear cut with Harry and Meghan. Some people are very much on their side. Some people are outraged at their 'attack' on their own (royal) family. People discuss it more and get more passionate about it because they are all disputing a widely held view.

Really? Wow!

It doesn’t have to be a press release to be racist. it can be hastily typed out. And racist.

No one said you couldn’t mention the race element.

Bingo! Which is perhaps what the RF or British press could have owned up to and realised that whilst they can’t initially see it, hostile and micro aggressive behaviour towards a black woman is hurtful and damaging to that black woman.

Your opinion is not fact, FYI.

Fuck me.

So someone who is mixed race tells you they would feel that was racist. And your response is that it’s ludicrous and they must not have a brain?

But it's still my opinion

FFS it wasn’t even me who said it but I read it differently and not in a way that she was renamed ‘mixed race Meghan’. I guess I just can’t get that upset about the misordering of words on a MN post 🤷‍♀️ I’d rather discuss the OP at hand.

What are you talking about? Who said the press behaved great? They didn’t behave as badly as the shots of the newspapers made out.

What Point are you making? talking about micro aggressions in the press while telling posters they are wrong for saying something else is racist?

He probably settled the case to stop the legal proceedings and also because the Queen told him to. Doesnt mean he is guilty..happens all the time that civil cases are settled without anyone winning or losing and its not an admission of liability Big mistake in my opinion. He should have gone to court and defended himself and if he was telling the truth everyone would know. He's ruined his reputation either way now. I don't think he's a good person btw. I just still believe in innocent until found guilty in a court of law.

What are you going on about?

I was asked how I knew Curlews intentions (ie that she wasn’t being racist but in fact calling out racism against MM) and to me it’s pretty obvious what she meant. I’m not trying to say mixed race people are ludicrous.

God it’s so fucking boring when people make things up.

Whoppee for you - I don’t agree with you

No but you were the one that decided people who weren’t happy and said it’s racist are ludicrous.

No one has to ignore anything. And you made a bigger deal out of it by trying to defend it and telling people they were wrong for pointing it out.