Why does the interview with H&M cause more anger and upset than the interview with Prince Andrew?

[KarenNotAKaren]

To preface - Im not a fan of Harry. Meghan I can give or take i think she mostly a victim to a husband who perhaps didn’t paint a full picture of what royal life is like and with her being American that way an easy thing to do.

Yes the Harry and Meghan interview contained porkie pies (about ‘getting married properly’, meh so what) and pretty shocking claims about racism and was full of total misunderstandings of royal protocol - such as going to HR for mental health help and then being confused when they point out you aren’t an employer. But I do feel it was their truth as to what they believe happened. I believe their behaviour is absolutely entitled and grotesque (Harry moaning about daddy cutting him off, mate your a 40yo millionaire read the room) but their anger stems from feeling genuinely wronged by people they love.

The Prince Andrew interview - he told great big fat barefaced lies that a 5yo would make up (“Oh well that can’t be true because I Erm…don’t sweat?”). All to cover up the fact he had sex with trafficked teenagers. He lied about his dodgy friendships, about medical conditions, about meeting women whose silence he later paid for. It’s absolutely outrageous that this interview as barely ever spoken about, he’s a TERRIBLE liar and I like H&M it’s not his truth it’s just a great big stonking fat lie from a nasty little pervert with an enormous sense of entitlement who has been treated pretty well and protected by mummy

Why do people get angrier about the interview if a (admittedly a bit of a tone deaf and stonking rich) couple who were actually just a bit sick of being harassed by the press and having their baby’s looks critiqued, than they do about an actual sex offender lying in his?

I think so too and that is unbelievably sad. As I said up thread prospective wives of the two of W&KS children will be treated the same as Kate, Sarah and Meghan no doubt

And that is our fault. We consume the media. They write what sells. M and H is prurient gossip and PA collaborated in a heinous act. We know one for definite and the other is constant gossip and I hate to say it that's it.

I am sure there articles about them and things but I don't remember anything really...maybe a lot American chat from people I know, until near enough when Archie was born. But after he was born those 5/6 months. I don't know what happened but it was toxic. Horrendous. I didn't want to see it or them. I think everything is a dynamic and they most have played a part. Then that SA documentary and I was just: WTF they are literally having a breakdown.

Then we all know what happened then.

Andrew is awful. M and H play with the dogs. Actually it would be easier to say actually they just need space and time and no contact. But in ways it is very like Diana.

I mean the ranting about the planting and the leaking is just his mother's paranoia.

I think this is Harry though. This has alway been Harry. Meghan just enabled it. I feel sorry for her in one way but do think she is fame hungry and wanted to be a star. And well it hasn't really worked. So year I do feel sorry for both of them really. They are the ones who lost ultimately.

and there you have it - you think it is just semantics.

I have never really understood this concept of Meghan being "fame hungry". Could you please give some examples? I know some people point out that they moved to California but that's where she's from and her mother lives there.

This is outrageous. The person that wrote that is supportive of Meghan: we all know she did not intend any racism.

KarenNotKaren is defending that poster against the accusations of racism. She’s not always supportive of Meghan; but IS a good enough person to defend someone who is trying to make a point about racism, even if she doesn’t agree with the specific point.

We have enough vitriol and arguments here without you trying to really really twist things.

@Flowerybeing no one needs to give you examples. This is an impression that some people may have based on what people do. We are all working from impressions as that is all that we have. None of us really know but we base on what we say and on the facts of situations.

I have never really understood this concept of Meghan being "fame hungry". Could you please give some examples

The fact that she decided to marry an unattractive, unintelligent man who happens to live in the public eye 24/7?

The fact that she decided to become a screen rather than stage actor?

The fact that she decided to have a billion dollar globally publicised wedding?

I think this is all really unfair.

Good grief. He is not ugly or thick despite your slurs.
No idea on the screen/stage acting point
A royal wedding is a royal wedding

A lot of those people, who work around them in the circle, said they, she, really thought they were superstars and would be when they left. So she believed in her own star power. But that was naivety. Anyway it doesn't really matter. They proofed impetuous and to me a lot just appeared like ropey mental health. Only themselves to answer to. Going on TV and writing books about your family is not great though.

Although in hindsight having all those uber famous people they didn't even know at the wedding was strange when members if both their families weren't there.

I think you have misunderstood my post. My reference to semantics was not about only that post it was more about the whole scenario. I know the poster did not intend to be racist and I am not saying that she did. What I am trying to say (badly it seems) is that semantics is at the heart of the whole M and H story - racist , not racist, unconscious bias etc. No one that I know gives a flying fig about what ethnicity M is but she is judged on her behaviour and what she says or rather HINTS at with her word play.

This is "my truth"

Meghan has certainly done all kinds of stuff to try to become famous and that is not unusual in the entertainment world.

https://www.mamamia.com.au/meghan-markle-acting-career/

Does any really matter. Both will fade away. I just hope the Sussexes can continue to have money to support their lifestyle.

I do have an internal wadger that when William becomes King, kids won't even know he has a brother. I mean most kids don't know Charles has siblings. And with that Harry's last connection to them ma6 be broken. His nieces and.nephews certainly don't even know him. Not the qay Elizabeth new David in her childhood.

It's very strange indeed OP

What does that mean, please?

It seems to be the way of the world that white middle aged men get away with anything

Who is David?

The Duke of Windsor.

I have never really understood this concept of Meghan being "fame hungry".
Me neither. If anything I suspect she wasn't fully prepared for life in the firm.

I'm quite open that I don't like some of their actions, but think there's a nasty undertone to some of the criticisms levelled against Meghan (eg fame hungry woman snags prince and swoops him away sort of arguments).

I generally find there's usually a big a difference in posts between posts that are critical of the couple's behaviour and posts that tend to be personal attacks on Meghan as a person.

I think there is plenty of outrage about Andrew and that his reputation was completely destroyed by his behaviour and by the interview. Everyone perceives him to be a pervert and a liar. I have literally never heard anyone defend him but I have heard people being outraged by him, mocking him, and calling for him to be jailed.

On the other hand, people in the UK adored Harry in a way that they never did Andrew. So there is less interest perhaps in Andrew's fate. It's not that people are more outraged by Harry and Meghan, they are just more interested and maybe even invested?

They're all liars. The difference is that Andrew doesn't constantly court the media, hasn't bombarded the world with his version of events again and again and again, he's just slunk off to live quietly in his 30-room mansion on the Windsor estate. If H&M had done the same I think we'd all care a good deal less about them, but they won't just fuck off and shut up!

Thanks @whiteshutters

But, again, virtually everyone agrees he should move so what is there to discuss ? As is your right, mention it as often as you want but don’t expect too many people to disagree with you . It’s more a case of inwardly nodding and moving on .