Why does the interview with H&M cause more anger and upset than the interview with Prince Andrew?

[KarenNotAKaren]

To preface - Im not a fan of Harry. Meghan I can give or take i think she mostly a victim to a husband who perhaps didn’t paint a full picture of what royal life is like and with her being American that way an easy thing to do.

Yes the Harry and Meghan interview contained porkie pies (about ‘getting married properly’, meh so what) and pretty shocking claims about racism and was full of total misunderstandings of royal protocol - such as going to HR for mental health help and then being confused when they point out you aren’t an employer. But I do feel it was their truth as to what they believe happened. I believe their behaviour is absolutely entitled and grotesque (Harry moaning about daddy cutting him off, mate your a 40yo millionaire read the room) but their anger stems from feeling genuinely wronged by people they love.

The Prince Andrew interview - he told great big fat barefaced lies that a 5yo would make up (“Oh well that can’t be true because I Erm…don’t sweat?”). All to cover up the fact he had sex with trafficked teenagers. He lied about his dodgy friendships, about medical conditions, about meeting women whose silence he later paid for. It’s absolutely outrageous that this interview as barely ever spoken about, he’s a TERRIBLE liar and I like H&M it’s not his truth it’s just a great big stonking fat lie from a nasty little pervert with an enormous sense of entitlement who has been treated pretty well and protected by mummy

Why do people get angrier about the interview if a (admittedly a bit of a tone deaf and stonking rich) couple who were actually just a bit sick of being harassed by the press and having their baby’s looks critiqued, than they do about an actual sex offender lying in his?

Meghan hasn't experienced racism, she just can't accept that she doesn't have the charisma to get people behind her.

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Prince Andrew's interview was only damaging himself, he didn't bad mouth the hand that fed him at all.

However, Harry and Megan's interview was all about hurting Harry's close blood relatives, with what apears to be quite a few untruths on H & M's side.

I disagree with you @KarenNotAKaren about Harry being more to blame than Meghan. It has since been proved that Meghan has known an awful lot more about the Royal Family since she was young than she ever admitted to . From what else has come out more recently about Meghan, I don't think that she couldn't cope with her Royal duties, what I now believe to be her real reason for withdrawing from the front-line, is that she didn't feel important enough!

She still had to curtsey to other members of the Royal Family, including her SiL Catherine, which she must have hated - and so when it became obvious to Meghan that she would never be considered as vital and important as Catherine, she had to "save face", and pretend that being a Royal was not what she had wanted and hoped for. She has complained quite frequently since the split that the Royals didn't like her because she was a person of colour. Which I know is utter rubbish.

Sadly, I think that Meghan was not only strong enough and manipulative enough to undermine Harry, but that she has somehow managed to turn him into her little string puppet. I believe that the Light has slowly been dawning on Harry for at least the last 6 months or so - he seems very unhappy to me these days - but he doesn't know what he can do about it. He almost certainly realises by now that if he were to return to the UK, Meghan would refuse to let the children ever come over here, not even for a short holiday.

😂😂👆FFS (and a rolled eye emoji too)

This stuff about Andrew’s interview only damaging himself. He damaged the whole royal Family. And his lack of empathy towards Virgina, that Emily called him on, hurt how many victims do you reckon? That’s best case scenario.

His visible presence continues.

I thought we all hated PA? I thought that was a given.

h&m stay in the spotlight and complain a lot. This irritates some people.

I don't think anyone prefers PA to anyone. He's just less gossip worthy because he's out of the spotlight and we all know he is gross. Nothing more to say really.

Because its psychologically more comfortable to take part in a pile on about commonly experienced topics like family favouritism, fallouts, immaturity and internal family dynamics, especially when theres an easily targeted scapegoat like a pushy/assertive woman, than it is to confront the deeply uncomfortable but more common than you think family trope of the pervy uncle - many families shelter paedophiles or abusers or other deeply problematic pervs and handsy groping old relics who are tolerated because theyre 'family.' Both the H&M and 'P'A scenarios play out in some shape or form in families all over Britain, but its easier to get angry and shouty about the H&M scenario than the A one. Well thats my theory anyway.

I think it's wrong to assume that there is "anger" behind the reactions.

Or that people fall tidily into either/or camps

Perfectly possible to deplore Andrew, whilst also being open-mouthed at H&M's actions. "Their truth" is so often divorced from verifiable events that they have become a joke to many - it's more enjoying the ridiculousness than getting angry about it.

I hope they have some solid successes in 2024 (before the Netflix deal expires).

^^ This. From Day one there were threads on here targeting M. Anyone who doubts it, go and look at the thread "I'm fucking sick of Harry and Meghan already" November 2017. It's horrible. It never stopped and even now there are posters who say 'i didn't like her from the minute I saw her, there was something about her I didn't like'. Says it all

Before anyone says, that does not apply to everyone. Some posters dislike has just grown over the years because of how she is, a strong woman, American, divorced, warm and huggy, word salad, and not prepared to take nonsense from anyone. Yes she has made huge mistakes, it was never going to be a good fit for the RF, she was ill prepared, that is some of Harry's fault too but it would not have mattered how much he prepared her, this is the most peculiar and I would say dysfunctional institution in the world and how could anyone prepare someone for that.

As for Andrew, I am famous for bringing up 'but Andrew' on threads about H and M all the time and I will continue to do so. Because of the disparity about how some of the public treat him compared to Meghan, how the media treat them differently and how the institution treats them so very differently. Andrew is protected. Meghan wasn't. That's what happens when you marry in, and Louis and George's prospective wives in the future would do well to remember the treatment of Meghan and of course Kate and Sarah (Kate now very much loved. ditto Sarah bizarrely... An ex-wife of over 30 years living on a royal estate FFS!)

Harry and Meghan’s interview hasn’t yet been made into a drama unlike Andrews ( and an upcoming play I think). Maybe it will be but I doubt the BBC will do it!

The trouble with bringing up Andrew on other unrelated royal threads, aside from the irritation it causes other posters who prefer to stay on-topic, is that it gives carte blanche for people to gratuitously bring up H&M on other threads

(Usually done by people purporting to deplore the way they're talked about, yet absolutely inviting negativity)

I think one difference in levels of interest also is that Harry is/ was on the attack and Andrew is / was on the Defence.
attack is always much more interesting than defences plus throw in the American angle and really it’s hard not to want to know.

Isn't it possible that it never occurred to PA that his friend (Epstein) was up to no good? Isn't it possible that He simply thought that that pretty girl wanted to be with him because he was PA and ALL girls would want to be with him for this?

NO. Really no. He boasted in the car crash interview he was the patron of NSPCC and he would have seen any signs ffs. There is footage of him in the New York mansion at the door and a young girl who looks about 13 who runs up to epstein's car and back in the mansion again. The pervert island was overrun by very young girls so really NO.

This. They stand to profit from the media storm and the royals work hard to protect the brand.
H&M was a timely distraction from the hideousness of the rest of the family. People are very easily manipulated. Otherwise they would have kicked the royals out years ago

Agree with PPs. Everyone has known how awful PA is for years. Really odious. Because he normally keeps quiet, there isn’t much to respond to. I don’t think anyone was surprised by the allegations - I’m sure he thought VG was lucky to have him and was happy. He’s a conceited twat.

meghan was popular with the public to begin with , not least because of Harry. Look at the images from the wedding. Yes, she will always have faced racism from the rascists in the uk. And that includes sly, subtle rascism. However, that is absolutely not why the majority of detractors dislike her. It’s just that the crazies are loudest on social media. (And with that I mean the crazies on both sides).

everything has to be so simplified nowadays. You have to be for or against. Bring back neutral, diligaf, none of my business.

^^ This. Hate on H&M is a multi million dollar industry. Manipulation of the public who slavishly read the articles (one 24 hour period had the DM with 37, yes 37 articles on H&M).

That's a lot of assumed hate.

I don't think people's motivations for reading or posting about them are anywhere near that easily categorized.

The biggest outcries have of course been against the likes of Danny Baker, which doesn't bespeak a tide of hate.

So whilst I'm sure there are some who "hate", I don't think it's remotely fair to attribute that as the main motivation. Oh, I know some posters will see it all in definite camps - if you're for this you must be anti that; because some people somewhere on the internet wrote something loathsome, any criticism aligns you with that; plus a huge amount of what-aboutery (usually Andrew, Kate or William) - but I don't think that's a good thing

What I really really do not understand is this....

Posters on here continually say but we all know Andrew is awful. Yet there is no appetite whatsoever to discuss the finer detail like they do with Meghan and Harry. There were pages and pages of posts about how Meghan held her hand up to her face in photographs. Her body shape, her awful clothes, their shows of affection...whatever. even when they are not doing anything, stupid stuff is regurgitated to criticise.

Yet Sarah can walk to church a couple of weeks ago with all the rest of the royal family grinning and goofing around, and is anyone interested? No. She can sit on a horse in ridiculous regal costume to flog her Mills and boons books on a royal estate, is anyone interested? No. Footage of Andrew, as a PP has said, recently questioning the public on his walk about as to why they are filming the RF..is anyone interested? No. (Patronising twat)

Yet Meghan takes her dog for a walk and there is a complete outraged frenzy. It makes me think that actually people don't dislike Andrew that much.

The trouble with bringing up Andrew on other unrelated royal threads, aside from the irritation it causes other posters who prefer to stay on-topic, is that it gives carte blanche for people to gratuitously bring up H&M on other threads

H&M are brought up on every single royal thread whatever the subject. That has always been the case. Posters do not need the Andrew excuse to do that, they will do it anyway. And I do bring Andrew up in context to point out the differences in treatment between H&M and Andrew.

From my pov

Andrew was lying to defend himself after allegations. He didn't implicate others, say "it was all them they are big bullies". He ended up making only himself look like a knob.

H and M could have gone to live happy lives in America. They already had what they wanted; to leave and be out of the immediate serving royal family. Instead they chose to seek out an interview in which they slagged off their family and the British people, then followed up with a book that treated both his brother and father shabbily, and all because they perceive themselves to be victims. It's very tone deaf and they didn't need to do it. It feels vengeful and petulant.

That's why, for me anyway.

The idea that we don’t talk about Andrew because he didn’t tell on his family is gobsmacking. If that’s the bottom line, it means the royals can use their powerful positions questionably, as some seem to have done on occasion, but they didn’t tell on the others, so it’s all right then. That reminds me of the mafia. Or at best - a cult.

Exactly. Bottom line...H&M left and told us why. That's it. Yes, they said too much but all they did was leave and talk about it. And open a can of worms as to how the institution operates.

Andrew on the other hand, was chased around the country while the US justice system is trying to serve him papers, he was non apologetic about staying friends with a convicted sex offender, he was besty friends with a woman who is now serving 20 years for sex trafficking and he brought these odious individuals into the heart of the royal family. They had both been to Sandringham Buckingham palace and Balmoral, they'd partied with the Queen and family. And Andrew with decades of dodgy deals with oligarchs and arms dealers.

But he didn't criticise his family so he ain't as bad as H&M. Rightio....

Not that he isn't as bad as H and M, that is a ridiculous thing to say.

It's just he's brought himself into disrepute and there's almost no controversy about that so what is there to discuss?

Whereas H and M have a cheerleading squad and there is much more debate about their actions. It's because it's all so much more petty that people talk about it more. Do I believe there are racist people in the UK? Of course. Do I think M was hated from the start because she is black? No. There were huge amounts of support here for H and M. I think the biggest problem is that she is American actually, and Americans have, in general, a different way of asserting their requests, managing staff, and a sense of entitlement to service that probably was interpreted as demanding and bullying by British palace staff. A different sense of service in the RF than Meghan would have expected or anticipated. And H bringing in to twist the knife information like that his father still has a teddy just seems like an attempt to humiliate. People don't like that.

Not that he isn't as bad as H and M, that is a ridiculous thing to say.

Why do you say this? You need to be telling that to the posters who insist this.

Calling posters 'a cheerleading squad' is just goading.

Every single time anyone has the temerity to criticise Harry or Meghan, someone always says "they're not as bad as Andrew". That was actually said to me a few days ago! We know that. Of course Andrew is far worse and that interview was shocking and clearly showed the man for what he is. Who on earth would defend him or his actions?
It doesn't stop people criticising H&M for their actions, interviews, book, articles, etc etc. They have certainly provided plenty of material.
Plus, criticising someone's actions is not "hate".

It doesn’t make people angrier. Everyone is in agreement on Andrew so there’s less to talk about. Whereas Harry and Meghan still have fans who believe they’re persecuted victims so the discussion can get heated.