Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

The royal family

Omid Scobie Endgame PART 3

1000 replies

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstotheyard · 01/12/2023 10:32

La Pom Pom Girl is doing the Double Dutch. But who is turning the skipping ropes? Part three/trois/drie of the continuing discussion of Endgame by Omid Scobie. Previous thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4951834-omid-scobies-new-book-part-2

Omid Scobie's New Book - PART 2 | Mumsnet

I'm not sure what is the correct etiquette for carrying on a thread, but here we are. Thanks to {mention:BoxedandRibboned} for the original thread....

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4951834-omid-scobies-new-book-part-2

OP posts:
Thread gallery
53
JenniferJupiterVenusandMars · 05/12/2023 17:13

NuttyYouSayHmmmmmn · 05/12/2023 16:47

That would make lovely content for Omid’s 3rd tome: Wargame.

And Netflix will be rubbing their hands together with glee at getting tip top defence info for the next film as Harry clearly can’t keep his mouth shut

Mylovelygreendress · 05/12/2023 17:15

LifeExperience · 05/12/2023 16:32

My understanding is that Harry wants Ravec to approve their security because that would make them Internationally Protected Persons (IPPs), which would obligate governments wherever they happened to live or travel to provide free security to them at taxpayers' expense. I'm in the US, and what's being put out here is that he wants IPP status so that the Secret Service will be obligated to protect him. To which I, as an American taxpayer wholeheartedly say, "No, hell no!"

Did H and M not say something along the lines of being IPPs in their grand statement in 2020 ?
Will see if I can find it .

Maireas · 05/12/2023 17:16

😂😂😂

Maireas · 05/12/2023 17:17

Maireas · 05/12/2023 17:16

😂😂😂

Sorry, that was in response to @notimagain and Harry in the HoC!!

IcedPurple · 05/12/2023 17:26

Maireas · 05/12/2023 16:53

He never held it, but wants to apply for it. I read that when this whole case first came to court.

I don't think you can 'apply' for ICC status, can you?

Simply being the son of the Head of State doesn't grant you any special privileges in your own country, let alone internationally.

IcedPurple · 05/12/2023 17:27

Mylovelygreendress · 05/12/2023 17:15

Did H and M not say something along the lines of being IPPs in their grand statement in 2020 ?
Will see if I can find it .

They did but she they quickly deleted it.

Maireas · 05/12/2023 17:28

IcedPurple · 05/12/2023 17:26

I don't think you can 'apply' for ICC status, can you?

Simply being the son of the Head of State doesn't grant you any special privileges in your own country, let alone internationally.

Indeed. He seems to be on a mission to claim that right, though.

Vespanest · 05/12/2023 17:43

His end goal must be subsidised or provided security abroad, as he is still getting police protection in the UK, he just has to request and is barely here, especially once all the court cases are over. It seem a lot of effort, for very little gain, especially as Princess Diana is often mentioned who was in France so not even a comparison for Harry.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/12/2023 17:46

Ravec’s whole purpose is to allocate the scarce resource of state-funded security on a risk-based basis. So I imagine that determining the right approach to a “high risk low probability” event like an attack on Prince Harry acting as a private citizen is absolutely what they have done

Sounds reasonable - but it's not so far resulted in exactly what Harry wants so of course there's hell to pay

And frankly those arguments from Fatima sound as if they were written by one of his Twitter fans, which for all I know she may be Hmm

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 05/12/2023 17:53

So he wants security abroad that he can not afford himself.

Does he realise he isn't even a spare anymore?

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 05/12/2023 17:56

And frankly those arguments from Fatima sound as if they were written by one of his Twitter fans, which for all I know she may be

It's not exactly persuasive to tell people what they should be doing, is it? I'd expect a KC to have something a bit more compelling, TBH.

Vespanest · 05/12/2023 18:31

As for Omid he must be absolutely livid, the book seems dead in the water, the interviews drying up. As for Harry and Meghan they’d be stupid to use or allow those close to them to use Scobie for promotion/gossip until everything dies down or preferably not at all.

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 05/12/2023 18:32

I saw that 😆 🤣 😂

AliceOlive · 05/12/2023 19:06

It’s only now dawned on me that the “recollections may vary” remark would have really been pointed at Harry with regard to the comments about potential children. Meghan never claimed to have been present for any conversation about that, did she?

NuttyYouSayHmmmmmn · 05/12/2023 19:12

Oooh, is the diplomatic reception tonight? I hope Camilla lends Kate the biggest tiara in the collection.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 05/12/2023 19:17

NuttyYouSayHmmmmmn · 05/12/2023 19:12

Oooh, is the diplomatic reception tonight? I hope Camilla lends Kate the biggest tiara in the collection.

Yes please.

Preferably with some big fat emeralds.

WinnieTheW0rm · 05/12/2023 19:40

IcedPurple · 05/12/2023 15:29

I misunderstood and thought the 'they' was referrring to the Sussexes.

Sorry I should have been clearer that I meant Prince Edward and Sophie when she was still Rhys-Jones

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstotheyard · 05/12/2023 20:03

Princess Catherine opening the children’s wing of a London hospital today. She’s looking well, all things considered. Lovely to see her with the children and medical staff.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JCFnKkxVT9w

Princess Kate beams in blue and shakes off naming fallout on official duties

The Princess of Wales has officially opened the new Evelina London Children's Day Surgery Unit at London's Guy's and St Thomas' Hospital.#royalfamily #katemi...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JCFnKkxVT9w

OP posts:
JSMill · 05/12/2023 20:04

Vespanest · 05/12/2023 17:43

His end goal must be subsidised or provided security abroad, as he is still getting police protection in the UK, he just has to request and is barely here, especially once all the court cases are over. It seem a lot of effort, for very little gain, especially as Princess Diana is often mentioned who was in France so not even a comparison for Harry.

So if he won this court case, would the Americans have to pay for the security, even though they weren't part of the decision making? That's going to go down well!
I still can't get over them going to Canada for a break in November 2019, then never coming back except for a couple of brief visits,This would have meant their police protection officers would spent much much longer away from home than they ever imagined. These people have lives and families which would have been disrupted. It shows how self centred H and M were, assuming people would just spend all that time away from home, with no warning.

Vespanest · 05/12/2023 20:11

JSMill · 05/12/2023 20:04

So if he won this court case, would the Americans have to pay for the security, even though they weren't part of the decision making? That's going to go down well!
I still can't get over them going to Canada for a break in November 2019, then never coming back except for a couple of brief visits,This would have meant their police protection officers would spent much much longer away from home than they ever imagined. These people have lives and families which would have been disrupted. It shows how self centred H and M were, assuming people would just spend all that time away from home, with no warning.

i don’t think from this court case alone, this is more to see if the action were lawful when removing the security status.

IcedPurple · 05/12/2023 20:17

Vespanest · 05/12/2023 20:11

i don’t think from this court case alone, this is more to see if the action were lawful when removing the security status.

Not even. It's a judicial review so is challenging the procedure, not the result. Even if successful, the most that can happen is that Ravec have to reassess their decision. They could very well come to the same conclusion all over again. I'm no expert, but I can't see this producing the result Harry wants. Security decisions are under constant review. Even if they had stayed as working royals, their security arrangements might have been downgraded by now, as they have been for other royals. Round the clock armed security is a limited resource.

So much effort, expense and stress for so little potential gain. I really do think this is a combination of Harry's stupidity and his sense of grievance, both of which know no bounds.

BackToWhereItAllBegan · 05/12/2023 20:20

I wonder if Harry is giving thought to the very real possibility that Trump may win the next election and he's already made it clear that he's not a fan of Harry & Meghan after he felt they were disrespectful to the Queen.
It is not beyond the realms of possibility that Trump would look to revoke Harry's visa and leave him unable to live in the US, and there's not a chance in hell that he'd let American taxpayers foot the bill for their security.
Perhaps Harry is future proofing his security just in case he's left with no option but to return the UK (I know that all sounds very conspiracy theorist but anything goes with US politics at the moment!)

ArcaneWireless · 05/12/2023 20:24

I am sorry but M is only wearing a bracelet. Nowt more than that.

If some think that is support, some could equally say it is a big sod you.

(I joined the RF, left, insinuated they were racist and all I got was this lousy expensive diamond bracelet...)

Opinions may vary.

MrsFinkelstein · 05/12/2023 20:31

IcedPurple · 05/12/2023 16:52

I don't believe that's true.

IPP status is for high ranking diplomats, state officials and their families. That does not apply to Harry. In fact, I'm not sure he ever held that status.

I think as a Senior Working Royal he did have IPP status. His status changed after they stepped back. Its why Canadian Mounties were providing security for them initially in Canada and why they had to "flee" to the US (that, and covid restrictions).

Omid Scobie Endgame PART 3
Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is not accepting new messages.