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Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstotheyard · 2023-12-01T10:32:37+00:00

La Pom Pom Girl is doing the Double Dutch. But who is turning the skipping ropes? Part three/trois/drie of the continuing discussion of Endgame by Omid Scobie. Previous thread: [[https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4951834-omid-scobies-new-book-part-2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4951834-omid-scobies-new-book-part-2]]

CathyorClaire · 05/12/2023 20:33

As for charity work and service to the public: actually speechless.

Just catching up but this bit jumped out.

When your charities' finances are shrouded in secrecy at the outset, then (more latterly) subject to double controversy with regard to sudden staff losses and questions over expenses not to mention their being housed in a secretive location with a generous view of tax arrangements, it's utterly nauseating to see this cited as a reason the UK should be spending more untold millions on an ex royal who's made a point of saying it's no longer 'home'.

JSMill · 05/12/2023 20:33

@Vespanest thank you.
@ArcaneWireless I was thinking about the possibility of Trump returning as we know he is no fan of M. I don't know about rescinding H's visa but he would definitely kick off if the US had to pay for his security!

IcedPurple · 05/12/2023 20:39

MrsFinkelstein · 05/12/2023 20:31

I think as a Senior Working Royal he did have IPP status. His status changed after they stepped back. Its why Canadian Mounties were providing security for them initially in Canada and why they had to "flee" to the US (that, and covid restrictions).

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Was that because they held IPP status though?

Or because they were representatives of the Head of State? Canada an Overseas Realm. If they travelled to, let's say, Vietnam, would the government have been obliged to provide them with round the clock security? I doubt it.

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Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstotheyard · 05/12/2023 20:39

CathyorClaire · 05/12/2023 20:33

As for charity work and service to the public: actually speechless.

Just catching up but this bit jumped out.

When your charities' finances are shrouded in secrecy at the outset, then (more latterly) subject to double controversy with regard to sudden staff losses and questions over expenses not to mention their being housed in a secretive location with a generous view of tax arrangements, it's utterly nauseating to see this cited as a reason the UK should be spending more untold millions on an ex royal who's made a point of saying it's no longer 'home'.

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Very true. Never trust a company registered in Delaware.

Watching the unfolding crisis within Invictus with interest.

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themessygarden · 05/12/2023 20:44

Watching the unfolding crisis within Invictus with interest.

Yes, I think they will only be able to keep a lid on that for so long !

CathyorClaire · 05/12/2023 20:46

themessygarden · 05/12/2023 20:44

Watching the unfolding crisis within Invictus with interest.

Yes, I think they will only be able to keep a lid on that for so long !

Agree with both.

As an aside I'm quite surprised the 'near fatal car chase' card hasn't been played yet but I suppose there's time...

HonoriaLucastaDelagardie · 05/12/2023 20:48

I think as a Senior Working Royal he did have IPP status. His status changed after they stepped back. Its why Canadian Mounties were providing security for them initially in Canada

Was that because they held IPP status though?

Or because they were representatives of the Head of State?

But they weren't in Canada as representatives of the HoS, were they? They weren't carrying out official engagements. It was an entirely private visit.

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Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstotheyard · 05/12/2023 20:52

As an aside I'm quite surprised the 'near fatal car chase' card hasn't been played yet but I suppose there's time...

It really pisses me off that nobody asked Scobie about that when he was denying his relationship with H&M. He issued a statement the following day amounting the stupid lie, and also saying they were upset neither Charles not William had called to see if they were ok. How could he possibly know any of that?

Having said that, Doria was in the car that night and looked like she might be looking at her phone in one of the pictures (when they are sat in the back of the car, Harry filming, Meghan serenely smiling in complete terror). Has anyone collared her as the "source" yet?

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wordler · 05/12/2023 20:54

IcedPurple · 05/12/2023 20:39

Was that because they held IPP status though?

Or because they were representatives of the Head of State? Canada an Overseas Realm. If they travelled to, let's say, Vietnam, would the government have been obliged to provide them with round the clock security? I doubt it.

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When they launched their SussexRoyal website they claimed that as IPP they would always be entitled to that level of security. This claim was subsequently wiped from the site but not before some journalists had screenshotted it and reported on it.

I do believe they exited fully believing that their IPP status would never be taken away. I blame Harry for that - he only had to look at what happened to Beatrice and Eugenie - both non-serving royals who had their security taken away when they were 5th and 6th in line.

He was just one of eight grandchildren when he left - no more special in terms of security needs than the other six (apart from William).

I'd argue that he's potentially more eligible for security as the son of the monarch than before - but not at IPP level - the Queen's three spare children didn't get security like that when they are not performing official duties.

Now, as the Times first reported, some important language has disappeared from the "finances" section of Sussexroyal.com. Originally, the website explained that Meghan and Harry expected to retain their publicly-funded security, despite pursuing financial independence.

Read the original version below:
The provision of armed security by The Metropolitan Police is mandated by the Home Office, a ministerial department of Her Majesty’s Government, responsible for security and law & order. The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are classified as internationally protected people which mandates this level of security. As As stated on gov.uk, “No breakdown of security costs is available as disclosure of such information could compromise the integrity of these arrangements and affect the security of the individuals protected. It is long established policy not to comment upon the protective security arrangements and their related costs for members of the Royal Family or their residences.”

The updated text on the website now excludes this key claim: "The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are classified as internationally protected people which mandates this level of security."

Harry and Meghan ‘renounce’ claim to security around globe

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have dropped their public claim to be “internationally protected people” in a sign that security is proving to be one of the most difficult subjects in negotiations about their future.The couple, who want to split their t...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harry-and-meghan-renounce-claim-to-security-around-globe-hj9d37fl7

LadyWhineglass · 05/12/2023 20:55

William and Kate never called me to see if I was OK that time I stubbed my toe on a dining room chair. It was near catastrophic as I’d just had a pedicure and the colour smudged. Fckers.

Maireas · 05/12/2023 21:09

Thank you, @wordler . Most interesting.

Maireas · 05/12/2023 21:11

LadyWhineglass · 05/12/2023 20:55

William and Kate never called me to see if I was OK that time I stubbed my toe on a dining room chair. It was near catastrophic as I’d just had a pedicure and the colour smudged. Fckers.

Thoughts and prayers 🙏

MrsFinkelstein · 05/12/2023 21:12

IcedPurple · 05/12/2023 20:39

Was that because they held IPP status though?

Or because they were representatives of the Head of State? Canada an Overseas Realm. If they travelled to, let's say, Vietnam, would the government have been obliged to provide them with round the clock security? I doubt it.

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They were just in Canada on holiday at that time though. It wasn't a state visit and they weren't representing The Crown.

IcedPurple · 05/12/2023 21:12

HonoriaLucastaDelagardie · 05/12/2023 20:48

I think as a Senior Working Royal he did have IPP status. His status changed after they stepped back. Its why Canadian Mounties were providing security for them initially in Canada

Was that because they held IPP status though?

Or because they were representatives of the Head of State?

But they weren't in Canada as representatives of the HoS, were they? They weren't carrying out official engagements. It was an entirely private visit.

Yes, but as working royals they were still representatives of the Head of State of Canada, so security might be provided as a courtesy. That doesn't mean that any other nation would be obliged to do the same, which is the case if they had been IPP. There's a difference between Canada offering to provide them with security and any nation being legally obliged to do so.

In any case, it's not really relevant. If they ever held IPP status, they don't hold it now, and this judicial review isn't going to change that.

Raincloudsonasunnyday · 05/12/2023 21:21

wordler · 05/12/2023 20:54

When they launched their SussexRoyal website they claimed that as IPP they would always be entitled to that level of security. This claim was subsequently wiped from the site but not before some journalists had screenshotted it and reported on it.

I do believe they exited fully believing that their IPP status would never be taken away. I blame Harry for that - he only had to look at what happened to Beatrice and Eugenie - both non-serving royals who had their security taken away when they were 5th and 6th in line.

He was just one of eight grandchildren when he left - no more special in terms of security needs than the other six (apart from William).

I'd argue that he's potentially more eligible for security as the son of the monarch than before - but not at IPP level - the Queen's three spare children didn't get security like that when they are not performing official duties.

Now, as the Times first reported, some important language has disappeared from the "finances" section of Sussexroyal.com. Originally, the website explained that Meghan and Harry expected to retain their publicly-funded security, despite pursuing financial independence.

Read the original version below:
The provision of armed security by The Metropolitan Police is mandated by the Home Office, a ministerial department of Her Majesty’s Government, responsible for security and law & order. The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are classified as internationally protected people which mandates this level of security. As As stated on gov.uk, “No breakdown of security costs is available as disclosure of such information could compromise the integrity of these arrangements and affect the security of the individuals protected. It is long established policy not to comment upon the protective security arrangements and their related costs for members of the Royal Family or their residences.”

The updated text on the website now excludes this key claim: "The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are classified as internationally protected people which mandates this level of security."

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Harry is directed by his paranoia and his personal belief of what happened to his mother in arguing his case for armed security/IPP status. And, his mere existence on planet earth as the monarch's son. He's not using logic, or reason or even common sense. His is an emotional response which he is nursing so deeply, and for such a long time, that he's prepared to go to court to argue his case. He's had years and years and years of therapy. I can only think he can't or doesn't want to put in the effort to accept some hard truths. He's spoilt, and it's easier to moan and be bitter. That's a personality type, not an affliction that can be healed.

I don't know whether he's too thick to understand that "the King" is different from his father (later, brother, no doubt), or whether he's cherry picking the identity which suits him in any given grievance. I'm inclined to think the latter.

The truth is that whereas he's not at all dispensable as a son, brother, husband or father, he's no more/less dispensable than citizens who actually lay down their lives for their country. What does he do for the country? If something were to happen to Harry it would be a devastating blow for his family and friends. But the nation? Well, it would be news for sure but I don't think it would bring the nation to a halt per Diana (and if it did, it would be because of the tragedy of the same fate befalling son as mother). It's utterly morbid thinking along these lines and I ordinarily wouldn't, but Harry himself is pleading this in court, saying it would be in the nation's best interests for him to be protected/not come to a tragic end (he's deigning to speak for the nation! Argue that he knows better than anyone else what would be best for the nation!). He hasn't understood that the reason the nation so un-Britishly mourned for Diana after her untimely demise, why HMQ let herself be talked into changing her MO by Tony Blair, was because of the esteem in which she was held by the people. Harry doesn't benefit from the same esteem (and his wife certainly doesn't). He's deluded. The nation wouldn't be at all affected if he gave up all his ties to the RF and lived a totally private, plebeian life in California.

Mylovelygreendress · 05/12/2023 21:27

Thanks @wordler . I knew I had seen it somewhere !

Mylovelygreendress · 05/12/2023 21:29

LadyWhineglass · 05/12/2023 20:55

William and Kate never called me to see if I was OK that time I stubbed my toe on a dining room chair. It was near catastrophic as I’d just had a pedicure and the colour smudged. Fckers.

Left try, one tear …..

Mylovelygreendress · 05/12/2023 21:32

Sorry - left eye !

BoohooWoohoo · 06/12/2023 07:22

I think that providing security for “business” like funerals but not for leisure trips like unveiling the Diana statue or attending court, is a very reasonable resolution- especially in these resource scarce times.
He had IPP status during the Megxit transition year as he was still a working royal so Canadian taxpayers paid for his protection (and by extension his family) I assume that the Sussexes thought that they would be making loads more in deals like they did with Netflix but the pandemic put a spanner in their plans.

Chouxpastryishard · 06/12/2023 07:32

On another note.. M photographed flashing a bracelet Charles gave her. So obviously staged. It’s painful.

tattychicken · 06/12/2023 07:37

This was their statement when they left. I screenshotted it ( not very well, sorry for number of pics) as thought it would be removed pretty quickly. More to follow