Omid Scobie Endgame PART 3

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La Pom Pom Girl is doing the Double Dutch. But who is turning the skipping ropes? Part three/trois/drie of the continuing discussion of Endgame by Omid Scobie. Previous thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4951834-omid-scobies-new-book-part-2

I think that in a way for the RF it is good that it is in the open because it was a time bomb that was being used in a way as a sort of threat - once the allegation was made. To be honest I don't believe that racist comments were made as I think in todays' society the RF are aware. I hope that the RF can move on - I think that anything else that is revealed will just be dismissed by the vast majority of the public.

I just get the sense that he told her because he thought it was sweet and it made him happy. The way it would make anyone happy to have family imagining your future children with someone that you were head over heels about.

I can’t imagine that he would tell her to hurt her.

It's all so incredibly tawdry

I agree with this. If the names were still hidden then H&M would always have them as a threat. Now they are known then it is gone, and all the talk of racist language will eventually disappear too. No one believes it was racist, it was family talking about what the new baby would look like and how the genes will mix to create a new life.

I’m really sorry but Omid Scobie ‘swearing on his family’s lives’ 😂 - how old is he? Eight?!!!!

Scobie’s eyes gave him away anyway

But she doesn't 'own' the English language manuscript so presumably wouldn't be able to publish it for legal reasons.

However, if the proverbial really fit the fan, then I guess the Dutch publishers could do so?

I don't for one second doubt that she is telling the truth and Scobie's pants are on fire. Why would a translator just insert a potentially libelous claim about a foreign head of state into her text?

No doubt this has some way to run yet until it all dies a natural death.

There will be further twists and turns along the way.

The irony is that OS is feeling wretched as perhaps are H&M with the backlash. But the Prince and Princess of Wales received a standing ovation last night.
Poetic justice in a way.

How would the translator even know which names to include? No one is denying they are the right names, so where did they come from if not the Scobie manuscript?

That's the very simple crux of it, isn't it, and why no one believes Scobie.

Actually, @RobinStrike one Talk TV host (not PM) is denying it’s C and C, claims he knows the name from a source close to the Queen. He’s a real critic of Catherine too, and thinks the RF are a bit pointless, so not a fan being protective (and he’s also a person of colour, if that adds extra weight).

Indeed. Also, wouldn't the text have to be reviewed by editors, legal experts and possibly another translator before being published?

None of it makes any sense. Other than the fact that Scobie is lying through his veneers.

That's interesting. I hadn't heard that. I wonder why Scobie isn't commenting on it-saying either the names are wrong, or he didn't know the names? It muddies the waters even more!

There could be a difference between who the RF think had an unfortunately taken conversation, and who the Sussexes are claiming it was.

The thing is, the allegations are so vague and contradictory. Was it just one 'comment' made before Meghan and Harry were even engaged and to which only Harry was privy? Or was it a series of 'comments' made when Meghan was pregnant with Archie? And Harry himself rowed back and said it wasn't actually racist!

Who could possibly know what everyone in their extended family might have said in private conversations going back several years?

It’s that plus his having admitted twice now to rather large whoppers. Alongside his obvious bias toward H&M. Even the NYT has pointed this out.

I have empathy for the bias and protectiveness his seems to feel toward Meghan. I think he has probably had a very tough time being Persian and Scottish and living in UK. He seems to made effort to change his own appearance including skin tone. It always breaks my heart to see someone going to such lengths to look different. I think he’s quite intelligent and certainly well spoken. A book on his own life experiences could be amazing.

Exactly. I mean if it was before they were even serious that was over 6 years ago now! Most people can't even remember small talk between family from last week.

It may have already been said on the other threads but if the Dutch translator got an earlier version with those names in it (which I believe) then isn't it also possible / probable that some other language versions got that one as well? Waiting for the Swedish / Italian / whatever books to be published with the same names and paragraph.

JJ Anisiobe (fellow off Talk TV) said that post Oprah, the RF spent 2 or 3 weeks trying to figure out who the culprit was, and identified a possible conversation and one family member.

The vagueness of the allegation makes it impossible to know what was said to who, when, what about and with what intention. And that is all the fault of the Sussexes for not being clear in the first place and letting the matter drag on, with commentary from 3rd parties filling in the considerable gaps.

Omid is no Oliver Cromwell, is he? More Ship of Fools than even a humble court fool 😂What a dick!

This whole puerile saga is going to die a certain death very soon and harry and Meghan will continue to be baffled why no one in the royal fam will want to have anything to do with them.

And Meghan, well she is a classic bully. The more H&M throw at Catherine, the more wised up the Walses will become, all their antics make the RF stronger not weaker, as illustrated by the standing ovation the RF received last night.

https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-18991,00.html

That explains why it took time for the recollections may vary statement. I guess that it’s possible that Buckingham Palace don’t know which conversation is the one (ones?) referred to in the Oprah interview.

Since we are now on thread 3 I'm going to throw out my theory about the initial allegations, which is based on knowing absolutely no one in royal circles.

Harry had the conversation before they were married around the time of the gross 'straight outta Compton' comment in The Mail and the subsequent statement released by Kensington Palace. Who the conversation was with I have no idea but I think that person was well aware of Harry's loathing of the press and how it affected him. I think they raised his need to be prepared for similar distasteful articles if he and Meghan had children. That is what I believed the concern was about, how Harry would cope with his child's appearance being speculated about and commented on in the press. Then I think when Meghan was pregnant Harry repeated the conversation as a warning about the tabloids but he didn't realise that she took it the wrong way.

This I think accounts for the discrepancy in timelines and the way they both reported the conversation to Oprah. The subsequent linking of the conversation to titles and security is a different issue.

Again just my theory and I'm not related to the third footman at Balmoral.

Not a bad theory and perfectly plausible.

"In the Oprah interview they said Harry was party to a discussion about potential children. Prior to pregnancy and perhaps prior to marriage.

Harry relayed this to Meghan. If it was offensive to him, why would he do that?"

Quite, @AliceOlive - I've always felt that Harry initially thought it was funny or cute... he relayed it to Meghan because, well just because it came out and he thought she might also find it harmless. It was quite possibly then that he was informed of quite how racist it was - that such comments can never be well meant, they are always, always nasty and must be called out.

@MrsLeonFarrell My theory is that Harry heard the conversation the way a person would who had a partner of the same ethnic background and thought it was nice. “Wonder what the children will look like.” Then he shared it with Meghan and it hit her poorly, especially because, as she said, she was suddenly being treated as “other” after a lifetime of never experiencing that.

I just can’t imagine he’d say “Well, Pops and Katie are worried the kids will be too brown.”