Omid Scobie Endgame PART 3

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La Pom Pom Girl is doing the Double Dutch. But who is turning the skipping ropes? Part three/trois/drie of the continuing discussion of Endgame by Omid Scobie. Previous thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4951834-omid-scobies-new-book-part-2

Thanks for the new thread.

Well apparently K & W received a standing ovation last night at the royal variety performance.

I haven’t read the other thread, so sorry if I’m repeating what’s already been said!

I’ve done some translation work and there’s no way any (proper) translator would be adding details like that to a source text. You can add glosses or target culture references in place of source culture refs, that kind of thing, but there’s no way you’d translate ‘two members of the BRF’ as ‘the King and the PoW’.

I think it’s now being called a ‘publishing error’ or something similar, so I wonder if the Dutch publisher was given an earlier version of the manuscript that did contain the names, which was then passed on to the translators?

Bit off of Scobie to try and pin it on the translators. But then I’ve never got good vibes from him.

EDIT for typo 🙂

Scobie is being very disingenuous saying he swears on his families lives it wasn’t him. I can’t believe translators would ever add in names that weren’t there.

Indeed and as I said on the previous thread it's unbelievable anyway because he's a liar so why should we now believe it's not another lie?

Although notably he was very careful in his wording of other answers to make it seem like he was answering the question whilst not answering the questions.

I have a rule that if someone swears on their families lives (usually for histrionic effect when nothing else is working) it's to convey 'How DARE you doubt me when I'm prepared to swear on something so important to me!!'

And they're almost certainly lying.

That's the thing though isn't' it - why on earth would a translator simply decide to add them in off their own back? They wouldn't.

Presumably, the translators still have the documentation of the English version that they were working from that proves their innocence (a bit like when Warren Beatty kept hold of the card that said La La Land at the Oscars)

Found a standard Dutch translation contract, its quite interesting, no mention of liabilty for potentially libellous claims, I expect that will change in standard translation contracts after this. Obviously the real contract could vary wildly from this standard one

It does state:

"2. The following shall apply to abridgment or other alterations:
a. The publisher undertakes that he shall inform the translator of any directions from the original author regarding desired abridgments or other alterations in the original work, with the instruction to follow said directions when making the translation

1. The publisher shall keep the translator indemnified against all claims of third parties on account of any abridgment or other alternation referred to in subclause 2.a. of this clause."

So presumably if Scobie did inform the Dutch publisher of alterations to the manuscript then the publisher is liable if they didn't inform the translator but if thats the case Scobie's credibility is gone for saying it was never in the manuscript and the translators went rogue

https://www.ceatl.eu/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/DutchMC1.pdf

I would never trust someone who says they swear on their family's lives!

They’ll certainly still have the source text they were given, I’d imagine. I feel quite protective of translators who are (largely) not very well paid or recognised for what they do, and seem to get chucked under the bus when things like this happen.

It seems at this stage like Scobie’s lying, but it’d be so easily disproved that it makes me wonder why he’d even bother.

It's a bit Eastenders, isn't it?

Yes!

It’s very interesting that the names don’t appear in any other foreign language version. If all of the foreign languages were the wrong version then I would believe the possibility of a human mistake but he’s an absolute bellend using the translator as a shield. That’s a professional person whose livelihood could be put at risk if the accuracy of her work was put in doubt.

Same, they're people who have been thrown to the wolves because of the connection to the royal family when they're just trying to do a job and not looking for fame. It reminds me of that poor nurse who took her own life after those Australian radio hosts lied to her to get a hold of Kate's records when she was in hospital with HG. That level of media scrutiny on a normal person must be incredibly overwhelming.

I mean he lied about going on a private jet when he had posted instagram pictures of it and who thinks they'll get away with lying about their age to the media in this day and age?

I can see him saying;

' ha ha it doesn't count I had my FINGERS crossed'

a la primary school

It seems at this stage like Scobie’s lying, but it’d be so easily disproved that it makes me wonder why he’d even bother.

That's the thing isn't it. The translator could in just a few minutes publish their initial working copy, which showed the names in it - immediately exonerating them and showing Scobie to be a liar.

That's the thing isn't it. The translator could in just a few minutes publish their initial working copy, which showed the names in it - immediately exonerating them and showing Scobie to be a liar.

Can they? I'd imagine lawyers are involved and stopping anything from being published.

“Sources close to Meghan” have said only one thing: she didn’t intend for the names to become public.

So, she’s not refuting that these are the names.

She, or someone who accessed her letters, fed them to Scobie. I don’t believe it was anyone from BP who somehow leaked them ONLY to the Dutch publishing house of Scobie’s book (to a tabloid, maybe at a push, but not to Omid Scobie).

Scobie committed the names to writing in a draft of his book.

Somehow, that is the draft that was published.

It will be very easy to follow the email trail between parties to find out who sent who the draft with names in it, and who said which was the final version for publishing and printing. One simply needs to follow the paper trail.

The rest is just hot air.

Well, whether they published the information publicly, or released that information to lawyers and/or the Palace, it's their proof that they didn't do what Scobie has essentially accused them of

Has anyone actually ever lost their life because a family member sweared on it and was lying?

I have a feeling that she either co-wrote or heavily influenced the book, hence there being a version (hers) with the names in and that’s the version that’s been published in the Netherlands. Perhaps Scobie was told to remove that section not realising there was another version still floating around?
Either way I hope he gets hauled into court and Meghan and Harry questioned about their involvement/ version pigs might fly

Well, a medieval chronicler called Ailred of Rievalux recounts that Earl Godwin, when accused of the death of Edward the Confessor's brother, declared that if he was guilty may the bread he was about to eat choke him - which it duly did. That was written long after the event so probably Scobie levels of credibility there (not that I'm I'm impugning Ailred).

Can't offhand think of anyone else.

So glad it's not just me, and it's playground language anyway, which frankly seems to match Scobie's whole mentality

Glad to hear he's apparently giving up on royal reporting too; he was never any good at it, but I do have to wonder what sewer he'll crawl down next

*“Sources close to Meghan” have said only one thing: she didn’t intend for the names to become public.

So, she’s not refuting that these are the names*

So the line is Meghan blames OS and OS blames the translators. Shouldn't there be some outrage on her part about details of her private correspondence being published? just an itty bit?

It’s all very “…saw Ferris pass out in 31 flavors last night.”

In the Oprah interview they said Harry was party to a discussion about potential children. Prior to pregnancy and perhaps prior to marriage.

Harry relayed this to Meghan. If it was offensive to him, why would he do that?

This is a letter and/or a response to a letter that Meghan wrote describing something that was repeated to her. It’s feelings, not fact.