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Omid Scobie Endgame PART 3

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Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstotheyard · 01/12/2023 10:32

La Pom Pom Girl is doing the Double Dutch. But who is turning the skipping ropes? Part three/trois/drie of the continuing discussion of Endgame by Omid Scobie. Previous thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4951834-omid-scobies-new-book-part-2

Omid Scobie's New Book - PART 2 | Mumsnet

I'm not sure what is the correct etiquette for carrying on a thread, but here we are. Thanks to {mention:BoxedandRibboned} for the original thread....

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4951834-omid-scobies-new-book-part-2

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twinklystar23 · 01/12/2023 18:24

I do wonder if the changes to the letters patent due to the law change allowing a first born girl to become an heir therefore the letters patent where changed by the Queen so that all of w&k children would be titled prince or Princess at birth. So a first born girl as a bow heir to the throne would have under the old system have been titled as a lady, but would be outranked by a younger brother. However this was not to be applied to H&M children, whilst the Queen was still monarch. Interestingly, this was also tied to security. This would possibly explain the "unconscious bias" stance (that W&K white, British children were being favoured ) in how prince /Princess titles were accorded. Archies Earl of Dumbarton title wasn't used, yet they quickly took the prince title once Charles became king.
It would make sense for Meghan especially to be put out from her perspective of favoritism towards w&k children and also the important issue of security. Without appreciating that is how hereditary monarchy works.
The issue of the babys colour skin could have given rise to concerns in respect of what they might face (and indeed did from some vile racist far right comments)

Maireas · 01/12/2023 18:36

It just shows you, @twinklystar23 , how important it is to inform yourself. Meghan married into a situation for which she seemed singularly unprepared, but her husband's ignorance is astonishing. Being unaware of the Letters Patent, the rules about titles and who is actually in charge of security is bad enough, but to demonstrate your ignorance on Oprah is even worse.
Anyway, they've got their wish with Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet so they should be happy.

Maerchentante · 01/12/2023 18:39

The whole thing strikes me as mud-slinging in the hope something sticks. Even if proven untrue it will be brought up again everytime someone in the RF is perceived to step out of line.

The translator would surely not add anything on her own accord, it wouldn't surprise me if they worked to very tight deadlines with no time for adding unauthorised comments.
I feel sure if a translator did that, that job would have been their last one. I believe the translator when she says it was in the manuscript she was given.

When H&M left I though, okay, good for them, looking after themselves. Then the media courting started, the Oprah interview, the Netflix show, etc. All the while pushing the "poor me" narrative. Not everyone is constantly out to get them.

The half truths and outright lies told by the two of them are also just ridiculous. I mean a high speed car chase in Manhattan? Most pedestrians would have been quicker than cars. M claiming she didn't know who H was before they met was just the icing of the cake.

OS swearing on his family'´s life is just a bit much and a sign to me that he is being ecomic with the truth.

H&M should get proper advisors, stand by their mistakes if they make them and fess up how much they contributed to this book.

The relationship between W&C and H&M might be irretrievably broken, which I find sad. If there is one person who knows and understands exactly what H went through when Diana died it would be W.
At a sports event about six/seven years ago, W&C and H were handing out medals for a short period of time. I was there volunteering and observed them as they walked away, there seemed to be such a good relationship, now all gone due to, what seems like, a massive chip on someones shoulder.

Don't get me wrong, if someone was racist they have to be called out, but show the receipts.
No one knows what was said and in which context.

JSMill · 01/12/2023 18:40

twinklystar23 · 01/12/2023 18:24

I do wonder if the changes to the letters patent due to the law change allowing a first born girl to become an heir therefore the letters patent where changed by the Queen so that all of w&k children would be titled prince or Princess at birth. So a first born girl as a bow heir to the throne would have under the old system have been titled as a lady, but would be outranked by a younger brother. However this was not to be applied to H&M children, whilst the Queen was still monarch. Interestingly, this was also tied to security. This would possibly explain the "unconscious bias" stance (that W&K white, British children were being favoured ) in how prince /Princess titles were accorded. Archies Earl of Dumbarton title wasn't used, yet they quickly took the prince title once Charles became king.
It would make sense for Meghan especially to be put out from her perspective of favoritism towards w&k children and also the important issue of security. Without appreciating that is how hereditary monarchy works.
The issue of the babys colour skin could have given rise to concerns in respect of what they might face (and indeed did from some vile racist far right comments)

The thing it wasn't down to favouritism. W's children are the future of the monarchy and H's children aren't. Tying titles to security is nonsense. Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice no longer have security despite having titles.

Maireas · 01/12/2023 18:42

That's what I can't understand, @JSMill - they just didn't seem to get it.

IcedPurple · 01/12/2023 18:47

It would make sense for Meghan especially to be put out from her perspective of favoritism towards w&k children and also the important issue of security. Without appreciating that is how hereditary monarchy works.

Sorry, but you don't have to be some expert to understand that monarchy is all about hierarchy. There was no 'favoritism' towards William's children. William is a future king and so is his son. They are simply on a different level to Meghan and Harry's children. Is that unfair? Yes, but monarchy is unfair. She didn't and doesn't seem to mind calling herself a Duchess simply because of who she married, who in turn got the title simply because of whose son he is.

"Security" is a complete red herring.

YourNameGoesHere · 01/12/2023 18:52

IcedPurple · 01/12/2023 18:47

It would make sense for Meghan especially to be put out from her perspective of favoritism towards w&k children and also the important issue of security. Without appreciating that is how hereditary monarchy works.

Sorry, but you don't have to be some expert to understand that monarchy is all about hierarchy. There was no 'favoritism' towards William's children. William is a future king and so is his son. They are simply on a different level to Meghan and Harry's children. Is that unfair? Yes, but monarchy is unfair. She didn't and doesn't seem to mind calling herself a Duchess simply because of who she married, who in turn got the title simply because of whose son he is.

"Security" is a complete red herring.

I must admit I've never fully understood throughout all this how anyone could square the fact she seemed to use the title and then they said the kids would have titles given just how much they profess to despise the whole institution.

The only conclusion I ever came to was because without the titles they would be of precisely zero note and they'd have to actually so something other than moan about their racist family to get any air time.

Mylovelygreendress · 01/12/2023 18:53

JSMill · 01/12/2023 18:40

The thing it wasn't down to favouritism. W's children are the future of the monarchy and H's children aren't. Tying titles to security is nonsense. Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice no longer have security despite having titles.

As the Wales children grow up and have families , Harry and DC will slip down the LOS and therefore relevance . The Duke of Gloucester was 5th in the LOS ( as Harry is now) when born . He is now 31st . Although he is still a working royal he is of far less stature than the senior royals .

Mylovelygreendress · 01/12/2023 18:55

YourNameGoesHere · 01/12/2023 18:52

I must admit I've never fully understood throughout all this how anyone could square the fact she seemed to use the title and then they said the kids would have titles given just how much they profess to despise the whole institution.

The only conclusion I ever came to was because without the titles they would be of precisely zero note and they'd have to actually so something other than moan about their racist family to get any air time.

Just waiting for someone to jump on and say what about Andrew as happens every time anyone queries H and M using their titles and even more bewilderingly , their DC while living in the US !?

YourNameGoesHere · 01/12/2023 18:59

Mylovelygreendress · 01/12/2023 18:55

Just waiting for someone to jump on and say what about Andrew as happens every time anyone queries H and M using their titles and even more bewilderingly , their DC while living in the US !?

Indeed that's the general response I've seen when anyone's raised this question but he doesn't hate the royal family. Yes it's their right to use them but they literally hate these people so much they have accused them of racism, done talk shows, TV docs and written multiple books etc on it and their kids will likely never meet these people or even go to the UK until they are adults. Surely the first thing you do is say we want nothing to do with you and your titles unless you know without them no one will give you the time of day...

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 01/12/2023 19:05

If someone is estranged from one family member I always think fair enough must be a difficult relative.

But estranged from all the inlaws, one parent, father side of the family, BFF, well I start wondering who is the difficult one.

HonoriaLucastaDelagardie · 01/12/2023 19:11

you don't have to be some expert to understand that monarchy is all about hierarchy.

Almost any job or workplace has its own hierarchy. As an actress, Meghan presumably wouldn't expect to join a prime time hit tv show in a minor role and start complaining to the producer or big name star about the basic premise of the show or how it's made, or that her dressing room is smaller than the female lead's, or her name is lower down in the credits....

Gowlett · 01/12/2023 19:12

RecollectionsMayVary, I think the exact same about Meghan.

Wanting the kids to be Prince & Princess is a bit strange, as they’ll be raised in the US (most likely). I also never think of Harry & Meghan as Prince Harry & the Duchess. They’re just Harry & Meghan now. I think she really blew a good gig.

Maerchentante · 01/12/2023 19:12

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 01/12/2023 19:05

If someone is estranged from one family member I always think fair enough must be a difficult relative.

But estranged from all the inlaws, one parent, father side of the family, BFF, well I start wondering who is the difficult one.

That's my thinking, too.

If everyone around you seems to be problematic, maybe it's time for some introspection?

BethDuttonsTwin · 01/12/2023 19:14

As the great Raylan Gibbons said:-

“If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.”

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 01/12/2023 19:18

I understand wanting to be a Princess/ Prince, especially as an American.

It is Disney and fairytales, castles and dragons. It is the world of make believe and removed from reality.

My son the dashing Prince.
My daughter the beautiful Princess.

It is something money can't buy, and Meghan's only link to the RF.

Edited to add the h my phone hates.

billysboy · 01/12/2023 19:23

A proper pair of twats the pair of them

Makemydaypunk · 01/12/2023 19:24

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 01/12/2023 19:18

I understand wanting to be a Princess/ Prince, especially as an American.

It is Disney and fairytales, castles and dragons. It is the world of make believe and removed from reality.

My son the dashing Prince.
My daughter the beautiful Princess.

It is something money can't buy, and Meghan's only link to the RF.

Edited to add the h my phone hates.

Edited

Yet she mocked meeting the Queen as “medieval times and tournament” complete with mocking bow.

JSMill · 01/12/2023 19:32

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 01/12/2023 19:05

If someone is estranged from one family member I always think fair enough must be a difficult relative.

But estranged from all the inlaws, one parent, father side of the family, BFF, well I start wondering who is the difficult one.

Yup!

Maireas · 01/12/2023 19:34

Gowlett · 01/12/2023 19:12

RecollectionsMayVary, I think the exact same about Meghan.

Wanting the kids to be Prince & Princess is a bit strange, as they’ll be raised in the US (most likely). I also never think of Harry & Meghan as Prince Harry & the Duchess. They’re just Harry & Meghan now. I think she really blew a good gig.

I was thinking that when I saw her at those Variety awards last week, posing like a starlet in front of the ad screen, having to be moved on for the next person. She could have been at the state banquet for the president of South Korea at Buckingham Palace, in a tiara and bespoke Givenchy, talking with various cultural, social and political people of influence.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 01/12/2023 19:47

Maireas · 01/12/2023 19:34

I was thinking that when I saw her at those Variety awards last week, posing like a starlet in front of the ad screen, having to be moved on for the next person. She could have been at the state banquet for the president of South Korea at Buckingham Palace, in a tiara and bespoke Givenchy, talking with various cultural, social and political people of influence.

Yes I think so too.
I actually think that she and Harry could easily have outshone Kate and William and would have if they had stuck at it. Not being the future queen Meghan could have dressed more daringly, been more outspoken, had more leeway in her choice of causes to support. Before he married and started looking miserable and moaning all the time Harry was seen as the more charismatic and better looking of the two brothers, and Meghan is hardly lacking in intelligence, performance skills and looks.
When they married I assumed she knew all about the ridiculous etiquette and opening supermarkets on a rainy day in Grimsby side of it but had made a rational decision to do it for the position and for love of Harry (which I still think is completely genuine). It didn’t occur to me she was as clueless in her own way about what she was getting into as Diana was, despite being an adult woman with considerable life experience. I thought they were a great match because as an actress she wouldn’t be new to fame so would have a better idea than most women would have what she was signing up to.

ArcaneWireless · 01/12/2023 19:47

Quite Maireas

Instead, she got less time in front of the cameras there than she did with her wee game show briefcase.

💼

IcedPurple · 01/12/2023 19:53

and Meghan is hardly lacking in intelligence, performance skills and looks.

I'm not sure if a person who didn't understand the hierarchy inherent in monarchy is all that intelligent. I've seen no evidence of any great intelligence on her part. To be frank, an intelligent woman would not marry a man like Harry. Intelligent women marry at least their intellectual equals.

As for 'performance', she only did about 70 royal engagements and then gave up on it. There were lots of aspects of royal life she couldn't adapt to. Being a senior royal isn't about giving 'empowering' speeches at a glamorous event. Well, it might be occasionally, but generally speaking it's a bit more mundane than that.

willWillSmithsmith · 01/12/2023 20:09

Makemydaypunk · 01/12/2023 18:16

Agreed, we constantly hear how ‘intelligent’ Meghan supposedly is but the ability to use Google is beyond her skill set.

An actress whose job it is to learn lines was incapable of learning an English language song without assistance, proves to me this woman will complain about everything and anything for her own gains.

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