Harry and his truth

[TrashyPanda]

Let’s try again folks!

the aftermath of Harry’s court appearance and what happens next

do You see William as deeply traumatised too?

It’s all of it though isn’t it?

Trauma, neglect, dysfunction has left him hobbled so that he is emotionally regressed and stuck, disproportionately acting out and falling out - so the cycle continues.

Yes

Not knowing him I couldn't say how "dim" Harry is, though he certainly works hard at giving that impression - hence perhaps the repeated "you'd have to ask the journalists" about something I thought he was supposed to be able to prove himself

Well if it is private voicemails, and its his phone, either the person leaving the voicemail told them the private conversation or they listened to it. You would have to ask the journalists which of those two it is. Harry believes it is hacking, this is what the tabloids involved have paid out so much to others for including his brother, and have admitted one instance of UIG on him, and his statement talks about disappearing voicemails and messages read before he got to them. I think its perfectly reasonable for him to say, ask the journalist. They have asked one, she can;t remember or doesn't;t know anything apparently. I find it hard to believe they hacked all these other people, his parents and brother, but did not do the same to him. That combined with missing messages and deleted voicemails and large payments to PI's claiming to be for easily and freely obtained information ( an intern could do that job ) and I am finding it a convincing claim.

Yes. I don't read tabloids at all.

Why didn’t he discuss ‘strategy’ with M? I wonder if she agrees with his approach?

Maybe his phone was hacked. Some of these tabloids (especially the NotW) used these kinds of tactics. Maybe those accusations of the palace briefings, Camilla, William his et al telling negative stories about him are all wrong. Maybe it's all from hacking.

Harry can believe what he wants , what he can't do is expect others to believe him without a shred of hard evidence, at the moment everything is His truth, I've yet to see the actual truth or evidence.

How convincing did you find hos oft-repeated “I don’t recall”? @Iwantcakeeveryday

I think that's the point.
He's not exactly been a reliable narrator thus far.

Probably very convincing @TrashyPanda !

Just because you are intimately acquainted with tabloids, please don’t assume we are

Exactly. If in doubt, accuse the person you don't agree with of being a right-wing bigot. Where have I seen that before ...?

I can't speak for the whole of the world like you can, or indeed for most of the UK, but I can say that on the first of these threads, we followed the reporting of the guardian and the bbc. Are they sufficiently non tabloid enough?

@jeffgoldblum - every time I heard that I thought of the US - “I refuse to answer that question on grounds that I may incriminate myself”!!

*“There is no doubt that Harry’s life is thoroughly unenviable. And his feelings are definitely real, maybe even his motivations are pure. But he is a terribly inconsistent person too.

The question, when it comes to Harry, is always the same. Is he a hypocrite, or a terribly damaged young man? Is he a sensitive lamb or a spoiled brat? Self-absorbed or genuinely concerned? To which there can only be one answer: he’s all of them.”*

I think the conclusion from The Irish Times (International / non tabloid) article posted above is spot on.

Dear lord, @maranella , you're right. If I see that "daily fail" accusation again, I'll scream. It's so ludicrous and naive. Such a tired old trope.

I've never read any tabloids , the first I've seen was from links on here , I don't believe any gossip unless there is proof, my opinion of Harry is based on his own words and actions, they are damning enough on there own!

Quite. The Oprah interview, Spare, the Tom Bradby interview.. that's enough really...

🤣🤣🤣🤣 indeed !
It's a bit like ..... that's very interesting, now tell me more about me!

But where is the evidence that the Mirror settled with Prince William? Has the Mail or Prince William confirmed that? Has proof been presented that Diana and Charles were hacked by the Mirror or any newspaper?

@Gracewithoutend - it’s speculation presented as fact

Reading something is not the same as comprehending it. It doesn't stop you from recommending it though!

Has it become more difficult to 'hack' re: new iPhone tech?

I think so, @Peverellshire because I think they were accessing the old voicemail technology, not information from smartphones
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