Drama, so much drama

[MamoruHisaishi]

I find it strange that in a city like New York, where A list celebrities and famous dignitaries and politicians have been able to go about their business without drama, the Sussexes have yet again found themselves caught in a media frenzy, where chases and near collisions were involved. How is it possible that other more high profile celebrities can avoid this issue yet the Sussexes can't? It's like everywhere they go, drama always ensues. The Royal Family were bullying/jealous of them, nearly caused Meghan to kill herself, were racist towards their son, that they were being harrassed by the media in the UK, Canada and now the US. At what point do they realise that perhaps they are creating, or at least contributing towards all this frenzy themselves? Even Kim Kardashian comes across as more drama free than these two.

But you have your own bias, one that has been informed by the media.

unless you know them personally

Why don’t people consider the mental health of the numerous people the Sussexes have made a career of complaining about? Not just the royal family, but nannies, press secretaries, journalists, photographers, the police, the South African ambassador…

I like Meghan and I think all this stuff is 90% Harry not her, but she’s a public figure, the rule can’t be “don’t criticise her or she’ll unalive herself” and even if it was and you passionately believe that, why do the exact same people never apply the same rule to Kate, Camilla, Jason Knauf… you have no idea what all those dozens of people are feeling inside

I may be wrong, but wouldn’t your first port of call be a mental health professional who would be the one to decide if residential care was appropriate or not? And if it was, there would be no reason for the Palace to deny Meghan that care as there are precedents for Royals having this sort of inpatient care. It’s been alluded to on these threads in the past. Was it the Duchess of Kent? I can’t remember I’m afraid.

She apparently wanted residential care full stop…it’s what happens in LA, etc, but who knows (?)

I think they both have issues and they are fueling each other. It's quite sad to see. The reporting re the incident seems to suggest that it is viewed differently by others involved (police, Mayor, cabbie) It's all very odd.

I think this is why Harry appears and acts so lost.

He responded really well to the regimentation of Army life. His life as a Senior Royal was similar - his diary was planned and organised months in advance by others.

He doesn't have that now - he's the one organising his life. And he seems to be struggling to find a purpose.

You've just shown your own bias here.

That creator is incredibly biased against the RF - her content is highly subjective (loosely based in fact) and not something I would recommend taking at face value.

Oh dear, you are talking far too much sense. Don't you know that H&M must always be the victim, others don't count.

Pretty much everything they complain about is also something the rest of the RF have had to deal with at some point. I was watching a doc on Randy Andy, and they hounded an old girlfriend of his - the media basically calling her a whore for appearing topless in movies, and she was considered unsuitable to marry.
Not that I have much sympathy for him, what a scumbag he turned out to be - she probably thinks now she had a lucky escape.

What's bizarre is that Harry is acting like all of this is completely new, and only something him and Meghan have to put up with, like they are being targeted specifically.

And the constant morbid comparisons to his mothers death are just weird.

I remember that he said in some interview prior
to meeting Meghan that he often couldn’t see the point of getting out of bed in the morning. He spent his days gaming or watching TV. I think since he left the Army he’s been quite lost. Invictus gave him some purpose but most of the grunt work was done by others. He was just the ‘face’ of it, appearing in public etc.

Re the MH care, I'm pretty sure that in the post Diana RF if they'd have said that she needed care and rest, even if that meant them both going on an extended holiday to see her mother, it would have been sorted. I also think they wouldn't have hushed it up either, especially since Heads Together launched.

Yes probably along the lines of the Priory where she’d be meeting lots of other celebs.

Surely it is biased to ignore a factual statement from someone as they have another view from you. I would say that is you showing your bias. Hence why it is important to view many varied sources. I care about the evidence used to back up the opinions, I don’t agree with everything any good ne source says but where she exposes the full statements vs those selected for newspaper headlines is very informative to me at least.

he seems to be struggling to find a purpose

that made m3 think of the time Meghan was being interviewed and he appeared outside the window, juggling.

just like a small kid who wants to be centre of attention.

So I’ve started a discussion it seems about whether Meghan was suicidal or not.

That was not the the point I was trying to make.

What I thought I was saying was that Meghan is endlessly vilified here and on other social media and in the traditional media. We have all seen the tragic decisions -to suicide - that some women have made after being subjected to similar vilification online and in media. When will people decide that they can’t join in, or continue, vilifying (as in making a villain of’) women, in this case Meghan, and do the decent thing and stop doing it.

And please, no arguments that Meghan is a villain and when is she going to stop doing blah blah blah.

What is our personal responsibility in all this?

’unalive herself’?

I don’t vilify Kate, Camilla or Jason Knauf so I do apply the exact same rule.

I think many people - some posting on here- are using the examples of posters who unfairly criticise others to legitimise and excuse their own repetitive nasty representations of Meghan. And I’m talking about Meghan because she is overwhelmingly the one woman who is the most subject to disparaging online opinions.

Farmageddon · Yesterday 19:31
What's bizarre is that Harry is acting like all of this is completely new, and only something him and Meghan have to put up with, like they are being targeted specifically.

It IS completely new to him. At 30+ he has never had to pay rent/mortgage, any sort of bill, or even carry everyday cash. Less capable than the average teenager

Harry was also the most popular royal for decades which meant people always gave him the benefit of the doubt whereas now, because he’s become unpopular, he’s now getting the reckoning for the racism and treating women badly he should have gotten all along

Yes, the complete irony of Harry complaining about the media when due to some sort of pact he was portrayed as this cheeky, hail fellow well met decent chap… when he wasn’t.

If he wanted to get on with life as a grumpy git, then that would be fine if he were living a quiet private life in Canada or even the Cotswolds. But now… it’s bizarre. I can only imagine that when he Found Freedom with Meghan he had no idea that meant trying to be an A Lister and going round accepting non-awards.

On the subject of awards (perhaps this should be another thread) they got an award, and a $100,000 continuous stipend from the NAACP. They then announced the annual Archewell Award at the the NAACP is for $100,000 .

Yeah, I think it's hard for normal people to understand this. Before he left the RF Harry's entire life was planned out for him, everything was done for him, his bills paid, his packages ordered by someone else, he never carried a wallet, he had a private secretary who organised entire diary, he had his life planned out for him, his purpose was clear, all he had to do was be Prince Harry, turn up, nod, smile, cut the ribbon, wear what was put out for him, say a few words to the people he was introduced to. He never had to book a flight, order a taxi, remember to get cash out to pay the cleaner, nothing.

When he railed against Charles cutting him off financially when he left in Jan 2020 (which wasn't true), I suspect that what he meant was, he was cut off from the life he'd always known where everything was done for him and he didn't have to worry about the tedious minutiae of daily life that normal people take for granted. Suddenly he had to find and pay for suitable security. He had to find a suitable property to live in. He had to venture out in public without the safety blanket of royal security officers who had dogged his every step since he was a baby. He had to join the real world. I bet it's been a really stressful experience for him. Imagine!

Apparently the American public are now realising what we knew from early on that they are a pair of attention seeking frauds. This latest piece of nonsense has been the final straw, and exposed their constant drama for what it is. I hope the American public are as disgusted as I am that they are using Diana's death as the template for their 'near catastrophic' car chase. Do they really think people are as gullible as this?

Apparently Harry wasn’t supposed to be at the awards- it was a Ms award- so it was Meghan + Doria. But I guess the thinking was that Meghan minus Harry generates less publicity, so along he came. Then ensued the drama. It doesn’t take Miss Marple to connect Harry’s court case with this paparazzi pursuit.

Is Meghan due to pick up
an award soon for her podcast?

I am wondering if the couple may use the speech opportunity to address the car chase discrepancies

There may be tears - I hope not as it’s best they try and move on pronto before making further PR disasters

The gift that keeps giving

Idid wonder why he was there!

Oh god yes, the Gracie Awards… Frankly it’s a bit of a cheek her getting one. It makes you realise that all these awards are just publicity endeavours and if they recognised the truly deserving as opposed to the most famous no one would pay them any attention.

No doubt Meghan will be tearful up on stage about paparazzi and how she will live her life in spite of (her calling) them…

He lost his mother very young, the only really loving relative among the stiff upper lip upper class types who never show their emotions they just carry on.
He probably has PTSD.
I expect his PTSD is very much triggered by his mothers death and being chased by paparazzi.
Can't say I'm surprised he freaked out.
It takes a lifetime to get over complex PTSD, I'm 61 and have had it since I was 15. I pretty much have it under control now but its taken a very long time.