Drama, so much drama

[MamoruHisaishi]

I find it strange that in a city like New York, where A list celebrities and famous dignitaries and politicians have been able to go about their business without drama, the Sussexes have yet again found themselves caught in a media frenzy, where chases and near collisions were involved. How is it possible that other more high profile celebrities can avoid this issue yet the Sussexes can't? It's like everywhere they go, drama always ensues. The Royal Family were bullying/jealous of them, nearly caused Meghan to kill herself, were racist towards their son, that they were being harrassed by the media in the UK, Canada and now the US. At what point do they realise that perhaps they are creating, or at least contributing towards all this frenzy themselves? Even Kim Kardashian comes across as more drama free than these two.

"Images that were rudely and aggressively taken of them, without their permission, you mean?"

What permission?

They are most definitely a pair of drama llamas and have tendencies to embellish and exaggerate.

But the NYC thing - the press follow who will give the best picture and reaction and given H&M seem to be public enemy No 1 at the moment they’ve gone where the demand for intrusive information is.

Sadly I think you're right.

Either their security is total pants or this is a set up for the publicity/ammo for the security court case in the Uk . I'd put money on the latter.
They should all be nicked for not wearing seatbelts, and if their driver was speeding/driving dangerously, he should get nicked for that. And they can be done too for aiding and abetting.
Loved the south park meme upthread.

It's a game of diminishing returns, though. Every time there is a drama they get a little less sympathy - whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation (they shouldn't be harassed, they should have predicted the possibility and planned better, both seem to be true to me) it just becomes 'yet another drama'.

Willy's vile outburst at a lone man was not dissected and criticized. It didn't even make it to morning talk shows talk less of the public being invited to phone in or radio and TV shows to describe his conduct. https://twitter.com/troubleshade/status/1659736068571164672?s=19

It’s not legal to record children without their parents’ permission in this country. Who is going to go on TV and argue the anti-William position that you should be allowed to? It’s creepy af.

Idk why that quoted the wrong post but oh well! Sorry @mixedrecycling 😂

In public? Yes you can. You can film /take a picture of anyone or anything in public space.
You dont need thier permission.

In the UK, that is.

Private land/private property, you can't.

It was on private land

How do you know that?

It was at Sandringham, the pap was by their house and followed them & the children

@Sunnyeverday it was not a vile outburst. Have you got children? If so, how would you feel if there was someone stalking you and your children, trying to take photos? I think he was quite restrained actually. Nice try to deflect.

Its says it was in the countryside near Amner Hall (Sandringham Estate). Not, it was at the Sandringham Estate.

There is a photo of the Queen and Andrew riding thier horses at Sandringham. How did the paps take it?
They stood on public land and took the photo. Provided the pap is on public land, they can take photos of people on private land.

BTW, I'm not disputing the paps are creepy fuckers. The paps will do things that normally people won't do. They will do serious creepy shit, but happily defend themselves by saying what they are doing is legal.

It confused me for a moment 😂 no problem!

Can you print photos of children without parental permission? I haven't seen it, but that might be a 'gentlemen's agreement' (or ladies' agreement) by the press to avoid formal regulation.

And I suppose nothing to stop you selling the images to overseas media where it is allowed.

Yes, of course. The UK media, particularly the tabloid media do it all the time.

One example. I can think of is when Kate, Meghan and thier children (I think it was George, Charlotte and Archie) attended the polo match. This wasnt a formal event, but a private family day out.
The paps stood on public land and took the photos. All media published the photos of the children.

You live and learn!

I don't think The Guardian published it, as I missed the story and I usually at least check the headlines 😀

Mate. Give it a rest.

They seem increasingly desperate for publicity. I am in no doubt that this was a pathetic and ridiculous stunt and in very bad taste.

It wasn't vile, a guy was stalking a family and taking photos of the kids who were out on a bike ride. William wasn't violent or even extremely aggressive, despite his anger he was still acting calm and rational. I can only imagine what harry would have done. Most likely punch the photographer knowing his history of violently attacking them.

Yes, I agree. I couldn't help but roll my eyes when it was flash reported on Sky News, complete with emotionally manipulative language. Talk about over reaction.

I mean FFS, they are both media trained, and had just attended a very public event, they knew there would be photographers there.

I'm wondering if this is fodder for their next documentary...

I mentioned specifically New York coz I think location matters. New York isn't typically the type of place where paparazzi chase you down, it's actually known as the type of place that celebs can wander around and be pretty much left alone. I should know because I saw a few celebs out and about in New York and no one was harrassing them. And the contrast with the likes of Taylor Swift or harry styles, two stars that are way bigger and more popular than the Sussexes, where we don't hear these security /paparazzi chase issues in New York is quite striking. Also, I did say that the paparazzi culture has mostly disappeared, I didn't say it's completely gone. But it's rare for this to happen nowadays, especially in places like New York. That's why this so called near catastrophic chase has been disputed by the likes of the mayor and the NYPD. The sensible thing to have done, if they felt that things were beginning to get dangerous, was either pull over or go to the numerous hotels that cater to celebrities and stay the night there if they didn't want the press to know their friends location, or they could have stayed at a hotel bar or somewhere for a few hours until the press left.

Perhaps this over the top reaction may also have been a way to help their security case in the UK as this happened right around the time that the judgement was meant to be made on harry’s case.

I think Harry is a deeply paranoid man who is obsessed with the press and Meghan feeds that paranoia. He also has diagnosed PTSD.

So I think it's not so much that they were chased/harassed and others are not, it's that his interpretation of the exact same behaviour by the press is hysterical and drama-filled and results in that ridiculous statement being put out, when J-Lo or SJP or whoever just accepts that that's life when you're famous.