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Andrew in bid to clear his name

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Viviennemary · 22/01/2023 01:10

Daily Mail is reporting this, I heard it on Sky News press preview. He is going to try to get her to retract her statement, apologise and pay back the money. It's hard to know what to think. But apparently, she dropped the case against another man after saying it was a case of mistaken identity. Prince Andrew said he can't recall meeting her. Very stramge.

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AutumnCrow · 28/01/2023 00:12

AutumnCrow · 26/01/2023 11:38

I do wonder what Andrew's 'big new development will be' in February though. It would be comical if the case wasn't so bloody appalling.

Is this it?

www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/01/27/photo-clears-duke-york-bath-sex/

This is so beyond farce now.

(It's behind a paywall but click the 'X' as it's loading (where your refresh icon is in the browser bar) and it should download.)

Underminer · 28/01/2023 00:23

@AutumnCrow that bath photo is nuts!

vera99 · 28/01/2023 00:36

This is beyond satire , those the Gods wish to destroy they first make mad...

Exclusive: The photo that ‘clears Prince Andrew’ over bath sex

Maxwell lawyers claim ‘frolicking’ with Duke of York could not happen because there was not enough room
By Robert Mendick, Chief Reporter and Victoria Ward, Royal Editor 27 January 2023 • 9:35pm
Ghislaine Maxwell’s brother Ian says the photo shows ‘conclusively that the bath
A photograph that the family of Ghislaine Maxwell believes discredits the Duke of York’s accuser has been made public.

The image shows the bath in which the Duke is alleged to have engaged in sexual activity with a teenage girl.

Two of Maxwell’s acquaintances are sitting in the bath, fully clothed, wearing makeshift masks depicting the Duke and Virginia Giuffre.

They posed for the image in an effort to prove that the bath was too small for the kind of behaviour alleged by Ms Giuffre, and planned to use it as part of her defence during her sex trafficking trial.

The photograph was released after it emerged that the Duke hopes to overturn the multi-million pound settlement he struck with Ms Giuffre last February.

Ian Maxwell, 66, an elder brother of the shamed British socialite, said he was happy for the Duke to use the image if it helped his case.

Ms Giuffre accused the Duke of raping and sexually abusing her three times in 2001, when she was 17.

She has provided several accounts of the first incident, alleged to have taken place at Maxwell’s mews house in Belgravia, central London, after she was trafficked from the US by Jeffrey Epstein, the convicted sex offender who later took his own life while awaiting trial on further charges.

In a 2011 interview, she claimed she and the Duke got into the bath where “he started licking my toes, between my toes, the arches of my feet” before they went into the bedroom and had sex.

In Dec 2019, she told BBC Panorama: “There was a bath and it started there and then led into the bedroom.”

And in her unpublished memoir, the The Billionaire’s Playboy Club, which was released in a batch of court records related to her lawsuit against Maxwell – which was settled in May 2017 – she wrote: “It was a beige marble tiled floor with a porcelain Victorian-style bathtub in the middle of the room.”

Mr Maxwell told The Telegraph: “I am releasing my photographs now because the truth needs to come out.

“They show conclusively that the bath is too small for any sort of sex frolicking. There is no ‘Victorian bath’, as Giuffre has claimed, which is proved both by the attached plan of the bathroom and the photos themselves.”

The Duke paid Ms Giuffre an estimated £12 million last year to settle her civil claim against him, while admitting no liability.

He is now understood to be consulting lawyers after Ms Giuffre dropped a separate sexual abuse claim against the US lawyer Alan Dershowitz, admitting that she “may have made a mistake” in claiming he had abused her as a teenager.

The Duke is said to believe that the “extraordinary” development, following an eight-year legal battle, prompted serious questions over Ms Giuffre’s credibility.

Maxwell sought to defend her “dear friend” the Duke in a series of interviews from a Florida jail, where she is serving 20 years for child sex trafficking after procuring girls for Epstein to abuse.

She said she had no memory of him meeting Ms Giuffre at her home and insisted that a separate - and now notorious - photograph taken of the pair that evening must be a fake.

Ms Giuffre has given multiple accounts of the night in question, including a visit to Tramp nightclub where she claims the Duke was sweating “profusely”.

But it is her specific descriptions of the bathroom and the bathtub that proved the focus of legal interest as Maxwell’s team attempted to discredit her evidence by staging the picture, taken in the summer of 2021.

The team wanted to show that the bathtub was too small for the pair to have fitted into and even begun engaging in sexual activity.

Mr Maxwell said: “The whole of Virginia Giuffre’s case pivots upon a photograph taken more than 20 years ago at my sister’s former house in Kinnerton Street, in Belgravia.

“It proves nothing. Prince Andrew and my sister think it’s a fake but I take the view that it’s irrelevant. It just shows that Prince Andrew had his arms around a girl who wanted a photograph, as she has said herself, ‘to show to her mother’.”

Mr Maxwell explained that the bath picture was taken prior to his sister’s trial in winter 2021 as preparation for her defence.

“Ghislaine was in custody, and shortly after the picture was taken, the mews house was sold,” he said.

“Her [Ms Giuffre’s] story relating to having had sex in the bath dates back many years, and the obvious time to put it to her that the bath is too small and makes sex impossible was at the trial. But Virginia Giuffre was never called to give evidence, and the photo never came to light.

“But her admission that her claim of having sex with Alan Dershowitz may be mistaken and therefore untrue, and given Prince Andrew is considering appealing the settlement, it seemed in the context of that the correct moment to release the images.”

Mr Maxwell insists he has not had any personal dealings with the Duke of York or his legal team, but was willing to help in any way he could. He said the masks were used to hide the identities of the people involved.

“There is no interaction between us and Prince Andrew or his people,” he added.

“Prince Andrew has been completely cancelled on the basis of the allegations,” he said, adding that they “have completely knocked him out”.

Mr Maxwell said: “The truth really does need to come out. If this photo is helpful in achieving that, then that is what this is all about.”

Andrew in bid to clear his name
vera99 · 28/01/2023 06:50

Why are they trying to prove he can't fit in a bath when he already said he was in Pizza Express Woking not sweating ?

BadgerB · 28/01/2023 07:03

What Andrew doesn't realise is that even if VG came out and said she'd made it all up, and Andrew had always treated her respectfully, he would still not be an asset to the Royal Family.
Even before all this happened he was known to be a conceited, work-shy, pompous idiot. Charles must be pleased there's a reason to keep him in the shadows.

vera99 · 28/01/2023 07:12

It’s been widely reported he’s recently launched a PR offensive with a view to restoring his former status and even trying to clear his name in court. Last week we had three former girlfriends/ pals speaking in public out of the blue declaring their belief he’s innocent. And also an opinion piece in the Telegraph by Charles Moore the other day also stating that sentiment.

But one thing is letting some of your columnists indulge in a bit of nutjobbery deep in the paper in the name of freedom of speech, and another to allow a historic and venerable pillar of the British press (putting its political leaning aside) to feature a clearly commissioned and indescribably desperate and absurd story on their front page that even the Mail might have been embarrassed to run.

I suspect there might be a lot of unhappy Telegraph journalists wondering if they’ve walked into the Express office today by mistake.

crew2022 · 28/01/2023 07:45

MsBucket · 22/01/2023 01:22

There’s clearly photographic evidence of them together with Maxwell in the background. Unless he’s contesting the integrity of the photograph? 🤔

I am assuming that he has some sort of evidence to prove that he wasn’t in America or wherever the crimes were said to have taken place. I don’t think a children’s party at Pizza Express is a suitable alibi. Unless others remember seeing him there and these people at said children’s party or his daughters are willing to testify under oath? I am also assuming that he must be aware there is a chance that he won’t be exonerated and things won’t be going his way? Presumably he has his legal counsel who would be advising him.

Unless he’s displaying narcissistic tendencies so he’s convinced that he’s right, not caring about the repercussions and as long as he believes that he’s right, then that’s all that matters.

Even if he was at a children's party...is that really a robust alibi? Surely nightclubs open later than pizza express does?
You could easily take the kids to a party AND visit a nightclub
Especially if you have endless transport options and childcare

Roussette · 28/01/2023 08:04

BadgerB · 28/01/2023 07:03

What Andrew doesn't realise is that even if VG came out and said she'd made it all up, and Andrew had always treated her respectfully, he would still not be an asset to the Royal Family.
Even before all this happened he was known to be a conceited, work-shy, pompous idiot. Charles must be pleased there's a reason to keep him in the shadows.

Worse than that. He has taken backhanders, bribes and he blatantly misused his position to enrich himself whilst travelling round the world as a Trade Envoy paid for by us. Even the Queen at one point was 'concerned'. Although 'concerned' was not enough from her. She enabled his behaviour.

If he was just work shy, that is not OK but it is a trait of some of the royals. Pompous... I am sure they all are at times. Ditto conceited.

But I think he took money from people he should not be taking money from. Arms Dealers, dodgy Middle Eastern Oligarchs, relations of deposed despots etc. And if Charles tried to bring him back, it would be open season on all this that has been covered up.

MissMarpleRocks · 28/01/2023 08:46

I was thinking that photo is bizarre. Then I realised ‘bizarre’ doesn’t even come close.

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Roussette · 28/01/2023 09:20

Bizarre is the right word!

GMaxwell will say or do anything to be brought back to Britain to serve out her sentence here and it's pretty disgusting that she is using this to try and make that happen by rehabilitating PA. I wouldn't believe a word she says.

Let us not forget this... this is who he invited to his daughter's 18th birthday party at Windsor Castle.
Three convicted sex predators. One of whom (GM) a friend since Uni now in prison for human trafficking.
Epstein, Weinstein and Maxwell.
Says it all doesn't it....

Andrew in bid to clear his name
vera99 · 28/01/2023 09:22

Civilizations fall when Emperor's marry their horse or something like that - this is on a continuum... but then we have had a President of the most powerful country on earth suggest ingesting bleach.

JADS · 28/01/2023 09:32

That article is next level crazy. It almost seems like the writer thinks so too. It doesn't discredit the narrative either, much like the sweating and the Pizza Express party.

vera99 · 28/01/2023 09:39

Maybe this is the establishment sending a message to Andrew to fuck off and when he gets there to fuck off some more..and get out of the way for the Coronation. Sounds like VG is planning to release her memoirs in the immediate run up.

BornBlonde · 28/01/2023 09:52

Roussette · 28/01/2023 09:20

Bizarre is the right word!

GMaxwell will say or do anything to be brought back to Britain to serve out her sentence here and it's pretty disgusting that she is using this to try and make that happen by rehabilitating PA. I wouldn't believe a word she says.

Let us not forget this... this is who he invited to his daughter's 18th birthday party at Windsor Castle.
Three convicted sex predators. One of whom (GM) a friend since Uni now in prison for human trafficking.
Epstein, Weinstein and Maxwell.
Says it all doesn't it....

I've not seen that picture before, so disturbing but perverts and evil will seek out their own kind so makes sense Weinstein would be a friend of their's too.

CathyorClaire · 28/01/2023 11:00

Prince Charles was friends with Jimmy Savile

Anyone else think it's interesting the Steve Coogan drama release has been pushed back yet again?

As for that bath photo I can see why Andrew might think it's a big break if he can get it admitted but if he thinks it paves his way back to public life he's deluded given the lifetime of boorish troughing he's led.

Floofyduffypuddy · 28/01/2023 11:08

"already in pizza hut not sweating" 🤣

Floofyduffypuddy · 28/01/2023 11:09

Cathy

On what planet does it give him any break at all! If anything it shows he is able to very easily fit in the bath with another person?it's maddness.

vera99 · 28/01/2023 11:12

I don't need baths as I don't sweat ! The one wearing Andrew's face seems to be positioning himself to receive anal, possibly "pegged".

Yesthatismychildsigh · 28/01/2023 12:33

Quisquam · 27/01/2023 21:38

For me, there are two issues with Andrew - he had sex with VG; and he was friends with JE, a sex offender.

Prince Charles was friends with Jimmy Savile, the most prolific sex offender in British history. Princess Diana complained, iirc that Prince Charles sought marriage counselling advice from Jimmy Savile, when she couldn’t stand him!

I am not sure how Prince Charles can take the moral high ground with Andrew? I don’t recall much criticism of Prince Charles over Jimmy Savile?

Google Charles and Peter Ball. That’s even worse.

Novella4 · 28/01/2023 12:45

Google Charles and Mountbatten- worse again

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/01/2023 13:14

Prince Charles was friends with Jimmy Savile, the most prolific sex offender in British history

Google Charles and Peter Ball. That’s even worse

Google Charles and Mountbatten- worse again

Also Laurens van der Post ... and when googling, bear in mind these are just the ones known about

To befriend one paedophile may be an unfortunate mistake, but to do it with so many could well be regarded as a pattern which renders the "moral high ground" redundant

Roussette · 28/01/2023 13:17

Yes. And Andrew's three good friends.... Epstein, Maxwell, and Weinstein.

One in prison for sex trafficking, (20 years) one in prison for repeated rape and sexual assault, (23 years) and the other... the worst specimen imaginable who escaped punishment by topping himself before he was made accountable.

Some of the RF are really really bad judges of character.

notanotheroneagain · 28/01/2023 13:51

Roussette · 28/01/2023 13:17

Yes. And Andrew's three good friends.... Epstein, Maxwell, and Weinstein.

One in prison for sex trafficking, (20 years) one in prison for repeated rape and sexual assault, (23 years) and the other... the worst specimen imaginable who escaped punishment by topping himself before he was made accountable.

Some of the RF are really really bad judges of character.

That picture you posted leaves me cold.

It's like a collection of nonces coming together to a teen's birthday party. Can you imagine how many teen friends were there? Surrounded by these creeps? And Andy is fine to let that happen.

Yuck !

notanotheroneagain · 28/01/2023 13:54

vera99 · 28/01/2023 11:12

I don't need baths as I don't sweat ! The one wearing Andrew's face seems to be positioning himself to receive anal, possibly "pegged".

And Andrew hogging the bath, and leaving VG trapped at the tap end.

I would be laughing if I wasn't so sick to my stomach.

Thanks for the links and article summary, btw.

Also, the headline should read 'bath rape' , not 'bath sex'.

Ridiculous.

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