Andrew in bid to clear his name

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Daily Mail is reporting this, I heard it on Sky News press preview. He is going to try to get her to retract her statement, apologise and pay back the money. It's hard to know what to think. But apparently, she dropped the case against another man after saying it was a case of mistaken identity. Prince Andrew said he can't recall meeting her. Very stramge.

No word better describes the behaviour of Prince Andrew than 'hubris' . One can only think the GM, as a friend and previous squeeze of Andrew (as is Hervey) thinks that as the most high profile 'client' in the firing line of the Epstein saga he can somehow pull some strings and help her with her appeal and sentence. It was a difficult watch to see her in that state and her almost total disconnect from who she is and what she has done. She can't bring herself to accept the enormity of her total complicity in grooming many dozens if not hundreds of vulnerable, often damaged mostly teenage girls and making them available to Epstein and his elite and powerful male "friends".

Hervey is another ridiculous 'ally' to wheel out. This is a total, utter ridiculous car crash of a campaign, if that's what you can call it , to try and rehabilitate Andrew in the minds of the public. It remains to be seen whether it is his alone or has wider support within the RF. If the Mail is to be believed the Queen may have given him hope,if so Charles needs to disabuse him and sharpish before this story eclipses the run up to his Coronation.

According to the Times Charles has booted Andrew out of Buckingham Palace. Let's hope it's the start of Andrew slinking off into obscurity.

That Lorraine interview with an ex was hilarious. Who is he going to wheel out next? Caprice the model? She was one of his squeezes. The female lawyer was excellent, talking sense.

As she said... who is listening to a convicted felon? Why is anyone taking any notice of what she says? (GM)

There is no doubt that GM knew Virginia , there is another photo of them together at a party in St Tropez .
the big issue with Virginia is that she is not very reliable , she kept on changing her stories and timelines don’t match , she wast even called as a witness in the GM trial.

i don’t think the photo is fake and I don’t think Virginia is lying , it could be that it was consensual , or PA thought it was , as much as we find it wrong for a 40 year old old to sleep with a teen, no laws were broken , as she was of age.
VG did call her friend and told her that she slept with a Prince and her friend said she sounded ok. She did ask for the photo to be taken to show it to her mum.

she mentioned shopping trips and going out , while we know most of JE other victims didn’t paint such lifestyle , they flew economy and were paid so little for their services,

her stories don’t add up I’m afraid ,

no laws were broken , as she was of age.

Irrelevant if you are a trafficked individual. You can be any age. This excuse keeps getting rolled out. I doubt Maxwell would be in prison for 20 years if these girls weren't part of a sex trafficking ring. She procured them, some as young as 14. VG being the age she was means nothing.

I think Andrew truly believes he has done nothing wrong as it is a privilege for girls to be able to suck the Dck of a handsome you prince girls are queuing up it’s the apex of their life an honour and Andrew is bestowing upon them the graciousness of his cck don’t you know?

And that’s it. His entitlement has overshadowed his moral compass.

I wonder just how Edward and Sophie can look at their daughter, who is now actually older than VG was at the time and bear to even be in the same room as him. And from what’s coming out of Andrew’s camp currently, it seems as though the queen was telling him that his removal from public life would be temporary. So she thought it would all go away. Wtf is wrong with these people?

In relation to PA though the crux is whether he was aware that she was trafficked, or the more likely scenario I believe is as the PP has said- in his feeling of entitlement he didn't consider that a woman wouldn't feel honoured to sleep with him and therefore had no reason to think that something was amiss. It's still gross as its essentially resting on his title to have sex but there is a fair difference between the two and the challenge would be to prove he knew.

Hervey is another ridiculous 'ally' to wheel out

Oh dear. Just seen the Lorraine interview. Harvey got tongue tied and I think was attempting to illicit sympathy for Andrew. The female lawyer articulately cut through that shit - thank god.

And what about all those other men? Trump? Clinton? No one realised.

Andrew should stay in his corner away from everyone.

Sorry wasn’t clear. Why did no one realise? All these young girls?

And from what’s coming out of Andrew’s camp currently, it seems as though the queen was telling him that his removal from public life would be temporary. So she thought it would all go away. Wtf is wrong with these people

Yes that's what I gauged Lady Victoria Harvey was saying inbetween the ums and ahs. The entitlement is breathtaking.

Hervey not Harvey.

I don't know why you've put her name in quote marks. She is Lady Victoria Hervey. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Victoria_Hervey
I don't what her motivation is. Appearance money probably.

Lots of people did realise. But even more excuse what was happening or turn a blind eye.
I mean look at the comments on MN, a forum of mainly mothers. And yet many posters are tripping over themselves to say why these girls are liars, gold diggers, and just wanted to have sex with lots of older men.
It is what always happens when there are grooming gangs, and this is a grooming gang that Andrew was part of. People still do not understand what grooming and sex trafficking looks like. And so they excuse and minimise it.

A slight tangent I know, but why are Jeremy Kyle types being allowed into the jail to interview Maxwell at all? Lawyers and family, yes, but I just don't get why people like this are being allowed access?

Well if Andrew is relying on people like GM and Victoria Hervey to clear his name he may be sorely disappointed. I was flicking through the news channels last night and came cross VH being interviewed by Dan Wootton (that was bad enough!) The woman is deluded and even DW was looking a bit gobsmacked by what she was saying.

I'm not particularly a fan of the royal family but if I was an ardent republican I would really be hoping that PA does try to clear his name. Based on his interview with Emily Maitlis and the type of people who seem to be standing up for him I think that could be the final nail in the coffin for the Royal Family.

If any attempt is made to bring him back into public life then any damage that Harry may have done will be chicken feed compared to the fall out from that.

Well said @OutForBreakfast . I have seen the most awful posts about the victims. Only a few days ago there was a post, someone saying she was smiling. She looked happy enough.

So fucking what.

DV victims smile. Coercive control victims smile. Trafficked victims smile.

I've seen posts saying she knew what she was doing. And.... What about the parents, I blame them, why didn't they stop her blah blah

I sometimes think some posters on here live in a bubble, or have a very cosseted life, and have no idea what victims of all sorts of crimes go through. I can't believe what I read sometimes. I wish they'd look up about sex trafficking and try and understand, bet they won't... it's too unsavoury probably

I think I was tired and thinking vaguely about typing out 'Lady V' which is what Dan Wootton called her a couple of times in the interview. She is indeed styled Lady Victoria Hervey (pronounced 'Harvey' if I heard Dan Wootton correctly).

True Rousette but its so complicated and it would be really unfair to say that they all had absolutely no idea.

JE was not dumb , he had a way to bring all these girls legally, some knew what’s going on ,

others had absolutely no idea what they were walking into, they were soo young , 14 ,15,16 .

one of his associates recruited these girls as ‘models’ . that was truly criminal.

but I honestly don’t believe VG is completely innocent , why wasn’t she called in as a witness ?

I do wonder what Andrew's 'big new development will be' in February though. It would be comical if the case wasn't so bloody appalling.

I have no idea on that queen. I think there is far more to it than meets the eye (protecting of other names etc)

However, I do know that a lot of the more unknown victims are very grateful to VG for pursuing this and shining a light on what happened. They were as one, outside the courthouse when GM's trial was on.

And 23 women stood in court (VG included) and gave impact statements. Here's an article on it.

www.buzzfeednews.com/article/juliareinstein/jeffrey-epstein-women-victims-testify-court-quotes

Very moving.

vera99 · 22/01/2023 02:11

Love it! And it may well have been like that. He was a prince, and good-looking as a young man. Must have been plenty of willing females.
Problem is, sexual adventures apart, he was always a nasty, lazy, entitled piece of work. I'm sure Charles is glad of an excuse to keep him in the background

For me, there are two issues with Andrew - he had sex with VG; and he was friends with JE, a sex offender.

Prince Charles was friends with Jimmy Savile, the most prolific sex offender in British history. Princess Diana complained, iirc that Prince Charles sought marriage counselling advice from Jimmy Savile, when she couldn’t stand him!

I am not sure how Prince Charles can take the moral high ground with Andrew? I don’t recall much criticism of Prince Charles over Jimmy Savile?

VG was a sex trafficked teenager. How can you say she was not completely innocent? She is the victim.