Ngozi Fulani receives personal apology at Palace

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Lovely picture of them both too. Seems so rare to see a positive news story these days so this was good to see! Peace, reconciliation and understanding. 😊

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64005705

quite right too. But if they started culturally appropriating by changing names and donning African dress when I saw them at the corner shop then I might be tempted to probe a bit I have to admit. Just to satisfy my curiosity nothing more. I guess that would be ok, so long as it was just the once?

Oh my god! You cannot be serious. It is now OKAY to ask someone where they are from? Just so long as it’s once? You are taking the piss.

If someone is open to a conversation about their heritage then letting them lead a conversation on that is fine. If someone tells you they are British you don't tell them they aren't because their parents came from the Caribbean

And it IS okay for a south London woman to culturally appropriate, so long as she has the right skin colour?

Do you really not understand how offensive it is to imply someone with African heritage is culturally appropriating their own heritage. I'm quite sure NF and her family would have preferred it if her ancestors had not been removed from african by force. But they were. That doesn't take away her african heritage. You seem to be confusing nationality and heritage a lot.

As a welsh women with mixed Pakistani and welsh heritage I am no more culturally approprative if I wear clothing that reflects my Pakistani heritage than I am if I wear a daffodil on the 1st of March.

And a persons right to be offended trumps the right of someone else’s right to a fair trial?

Once again, Lady Susan admitted her guilt, why would there be a fair trial. What has poor Lady Susan done to make you disbelieve her words this strongly

And ‘lynch’ has become some sort of trigger word that must not ever be spoken??

If you don't understand how the word lynch was inappropriate in the context it was used it it does explain a lot around your confusion on this subject

And this isn’t at all confusing??

Not for most of us on here no

You know what, why doesn’t BLM do something useful and write a guidebook that sets out the rules. It can then be distributed to educate all the horrible ‘racists’ of the UK so that there are no misunderstandings.

Most of us manage to educate ourselves quite well actually

coz I haven’t got a fucking clue what the protocol is anymore.

Yes that much is clear. Perhaps if you are genuinely concerned you don't know how to avoid racist behaviour, instead of arguing that behaviour which the perpetrator themselves admits was racist wasn't actually racist, you could take a leaf out of Lady Susan's book and actually be open to learning more on the subject.

My point is Lady S has admitted she did something wrong but you still expect it to be investigated. So that means you don't believe Lady S as otherwise it wouldn't need to be investigated. I'm wondering what it is about Lady S that makes you distrust her words so much.

Because if a shopkeeper accuses someone of stealing, and they plead guilty, there is no investigation or trial. But you weirdly expect 'innocent until proven guilty even if guilt is admitted' to be a thing

@LondonWolf I have reported your comment for racism.

You can appropriate a culture you are part of!! And you can be part of more than one culture! What is Ngozi supposed to wear - what is a ‘British’ uniform? Kappa tracksuit and a clown necklace? The woman can wear whatever the hell she wants without being subject to ridiculous accusations

You CAN’T appropriate a culture you’re part of that should have read

@LondonWolf 💯%

Ngozi Fulani was subjected to racism from Lady SH. There were witnesses. There was an investigation resulting in Lady SH's resignation and apologies issued from the palace.

How much more does it take for people to believe that a white woman was racist to a black woman?

Also the Palace AND Lady Susan admitted fault and denounced her behaviour and orchestrated an apology. And STILL people think they can speak on her behalf and say she wasn’t racist. It beggars fucking belief.

Also the blatant racist posts on this thread are fucking appalling.

Why? is that you attempting to shut down discussion and people who hold opposing views.

There is a word for that!

I always wonder if people living in Africa are quite as open to British people appropriating their culture as British people think they are. I mean, the living experience of a black British born and raised person is going to emulate the reality of a white British born person far more closely than a black African born and raised person.

I would bet my last dollar that African black people get mighty pissed off with British black people waving the cultural flag like they have the same ownership/experience of it as they do. So I disagree that it isn’t cultural appropriation. It is.

Speaking for Black Africans now?

Dear god some people are SO ANGRY that racism is being called out and apologised for.

Ah come on now @LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet, everyone can see who Mezmer speaks for.

I am heartened at how many people recognise racism and racists after this. And I know it was uncomfortable for many.

No but you used it in a disparaging tone, thats weirder.

None of your post makes sense. She is potentially going to be investigated for fraud. As a charity thats the death knell. Also I have no issue with name changing but you cannot do it in context of a charity particularly at reporting and director level but you know that already from you career I guess 🙄...

I don’t see any misogynist or racist language in the thread. It’s pretty factual. Nor is it capable of being “victim blaming” - it’s a thread about issues with a charity and misappropriation of government funds - we are all the victims of that. I don’t have any problem with free speech or valid criticism.

Actually it’s a thread about a white woman apologising to the lack women she made racist comments to.

But people who seem to be really upset that racism has been highlighted have changed the direction of the thread just because someone pointed out (after a ‘will be great for Ngozi’s charity’ comment) that the charity is in a spot of bother.

Also there is one poster basically saying a woman from South London can’t be African and that it’s appropriation. She’s also white and speaking on behalf of Black Africans. Sounds pretty racist to me.

Genuinely one of the thickest, most ignorant posts I've read on here, and it's a crowded playing field.

Yeah, but you can't see racism when it's witnessed, investigated and confirmed. You seem to have quite the blind spot @SueVineer.

How is she part of Fulani culture though, she just adopted the name up as I understand it. She is from London with parents from the Caribbean. She’s pretending she is someone she isn’t imo.

I have some Nigerian ancestry but I have never been to Nigeria nor do I have any family who have my idea of Nigerian culture I’m not Nigerian and if I pretended to be it would just be weird and creepy.. if you’re not African , being black doesn’t make you African any more than being white or mixed race does. It’s totally cultural appropriation to pretend you are something you are not.

Indeed

I also find the racism apologists always champion their belief that black people aren’t offended by racism and find all this Ngozi business “a load of crap” (normally speaking on behalf a a POC they know - tick, in this poster’s case). They sometimes quote one Black person who has maybe denounced BLM as their ‘proof’ that these people agree that it’s a load of fuss about nothing.

What they never ever ever do though is have a conversation about it with a real life black person. Funny that.

Sorry who witnessed, investigated or confirmed any racism in that thread? Absolutely no one I think you will find.

Well good for you but you don’t hold the mic for every black person - plenty of people think you’d be weird for not embracing your culture. Different strokes for different folks.

And Ngozi doesn’t owe you, or anyone, explanation or evidence as to what her culture is or why she celebrates her heritage. Why do you even need proof? How does it affect you?