Ngozi Fulani receives personal apology at Palace

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Lovely picture of them both too. Seems so rare to see a positive news story these days so this was good to see! Peace, reconciliation and understanding. 😊

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64005705

It's kind of what we all did with Prince Philip.

You are describing colourism here. Which is a form of anti blackness, yes.

Is colourism racism?

Am I, as a white person, allowed to criticise black people who survived apartheid as racist?

Colourism as I understand it, is a form of self hate if anything , caused by the internalisation of white supremacy. It is complex and far reaching. It of course has its roots in racism. I would struggle to call a black, or brown person coveting a lighter complexion as racist though.

They're not exactly bosom buddies, so it makes sense.

Therefore, no one else should get offended because your father wasn't offended.

I repeat:

She's a woman who spoke up because someone made her feel uncomfortable and unwelcome in a way she believed to be racist. Why is she being victim-blamed and told how to react?

If a woman took a similar action against a man, would you call her a 'sex-baiter'?

people are allowed to change their names if they wish. Georg und Maria von Klip Klop Handstand changed their names to George and Mary Windsor to pass themselves off as English during the first world war. Their son Edward 8th acknowledged that he was a pure blooded german and so was allowed to consort with hitler and wanted him, hitler, to put him back on the British throne. People like you don't question that.

It would seem to me to be the case that it is okay to call out misogyny, and sexism to the rafters, all day long. But don't you dare call out racism. Funny that.

I absolutely support her speaking up. I dont support her speaking up on social media before or instead of resolving it with the person/organisation in the first instance.

Perhaps if we also stop seeing a victim narrative everywhere we wouldnt also keep using an illogical term like victim blaming for neturally talking about an issue.

Yes. Those "creepy old men" should be given the benefit of the doubt, allowed a fAiR tRiAl and no one should dare call them "creepy old men" till they've been proven guilty and it's known beyond a reasonable doubt that they flashed or wolf whistled at women or kids.

We should ignore their acceptance of guilt because they were forced to accept. Besides, they're older so they don't know any better.

Ah sure! Speak up but not like that. Give them a chance to hide their deeds. Don't you go rocking the master's boat, little black lady.

And you're not a victim of anything until I say so.

Gotcha.

God almighty this is ridiculous

If I go to a shop today and feel mistreated, the first port of call is that I make a complaint, either to the member of staff or the store/organisation itself

I dont go slamming and mouthing off on social media without giving the shop the opportunity to resolve it with me and address the matter. It really isnt a difficult concept.

Its not about hiding deeds, its about addressing issues in the most appropriate and effective way.

Ive had my own experience of needing to do this on a number of occasions.

Yep, she was "mouthing off". How stereotypical, both from a sexist and racist point of view.

Minimising someone's experience and telling them how they could've handled it (when they didn't ask you if they handled it well or not) or else, they get no understanding from you IS ridiculous.

She was not at a "shop". It wasn't a random incident involving a shopkeeper and a random Jane Public. She is not you, so how you claim you'd react is irrelevant.

Even so, many people do go on social media, mumsnet, etc to report what they believe to be unfair treatment received from shops, etc and I very much doubt you'd say "jack" to any of them, especially if it was a woman speaking against a man.

I do have a friend who LOVES writing negative reviews of restaurants, pubs, Kwik Fit, Pimlico Plumbers etc. I have seen her say how great the food is when servers ask her how it is, then get straight on tripadvisor to slag them off. She loves it. No idea why she can’t just say that it’s not hot enough for her or unseasoned or the steak isn’t cooked to her liking or whatever. Most companies or hosts or restaurants would prefer you address something in real time. And if you get a shitty response then sharing the shitty response is probably fair enough.

Anyway - Lady S will go back to being Prince W’s godmother and Sistah Space can be exonerated from the accusations of misdoings they will be investigated for. Win win.

I agree with you@TwasNiceKnowingYa . The whole she should have dealt with it this way/ that way dance, some posters are on. The same old names seem to pop up on these threads.

World has gone crazy ! I am speaking as a person whose father originated from another country, he did not get offended when someone asked him his heritage even though he was a British citizen

Definitely not the same.

There is no problem asking where someone is from. The racism lies in repeatedly not believing their answer. And all this while they are a guest in your house.

I think that is really good that the two have met and it has been acknowledged that no malice was intended. I hope that both women can now get on with their lives.

I think the notion of ‘innocent until proven guilty’ and ‘fair trial’ are both a lot easier to grasp but it seems quite a few people on this thread are struggling with those.

Good

A well deserved apology. It’s nice to actually see people take accountability for their racism!

I'm confused, you seem to utterly distrust Lady Susan admitting she was at fault and see to think there should have been an investigation despite this?

Is this due to her age? Do you think she is suffering from dementia, or are you generally distrusting of older people?

Or is it because she is white? Do you generally find white people more prone to lying about their guilt?

Or maybe it's because she's rich or connected to the royal family?

Certainly if someone admits guilt we don't normal expect there to be an investigation or a 'trial' so I'm just wondering what is it specifically about Lady Susan you don't trust. You seem rather biased against taking her word for something.

Oh my god! You cannot be serious. It is now OKAY to ask someone where they are from? Just so long as it’s once? You are taking the piss.

And it IS okay for a south London woman to culturally appropriate, so long as she has the right skin colour?

And a persons right to be offended trumps the right of someone else’s right to a fair trial?

And ‘lynch’ has become some sort of trigger word that must not ever be spoken??

And this isn’t at all confusing??

You know what, why doesn’t BLM do something useful and write a guidebook that sets out the rules. It can then be distributed to educate all the horrible ‘racists’ of the UK so that there are no misunderstandings.

coz I haven’t got a fucking clue what the protocol is anymore.

@Mezmer did you actually read the transcript?
Lady S didn’t just ask her more than once, she asked repeatedly not accepting the answer that Ngozi is British. As a mother of mixed raced children (if we are going down the ‘I have the authority to speak on this because’ route) I’d be fucking raging if anyone didn’t think my British born kids were in fact British.

I was responding to the post above mine that had hoped the BP meeting would “give the charity a boost”. If anything the last thing the charity needs right now is more publicity, at least until the investigation is complete.
So that is why it is relevant.
It is entirely possible to be both the victim of racism and simultaneous be under investigation for financial irregularities. Surely no one disagrees with that. I am glad that an apology was made in person for the racist remarks. I am also glad that the alleged financial irregularities will be scrutinised.

I am confused. I’ve just said I was. And I am even more so after reading your post as I don’t have a clue what point you are trying to make.