I truly do not understand the hate H&M get

[Ostryga]

I’ve just started watching their documentary, mainly due to the endless threads on here and wanting to actually see why people were so upset about them.

I don’t understand how anyone can watch them together, and especially watch Harry’s past and experiences and continue with the hate? Am I seeing something different to everyone else?

On mumsnet one of the biggest upset is that they’ve lied. Well first off, who hasn’t? Everyone lies about something. But surely when you’re being imprisoned in your home due to cameras being set up everywhere and your entire life is on show you’re going to say SOMETHING that doesn’t correlate? I know I would.

And almost every mumsnetter gets upset when a door is knocked when they weren’t expecting it, how the fuck could they live like Meghan did? With cameras absolutely everywhere?

I don't see how anyone with even a smidge of compassion could watch this and still want them to suffer and write such vile things. They’re just 2 people in love with little children caught up in the insane royal family/press cycle.

You hadn't noticed the other 60 zillion threads on this then? ...

Oh I see you had but decided to start yet another one anyway.

Yes! Yet another one! A drop in the ocean compared to the hate threads. Shall we carry on the discussion now you’ve pointed that out so helpfully?

PLEASE, NO MORE THREADS. FOR OR AGSINST THEM. ENOUGH ALREADY.

The 'hate threads'? They would be against Talk Guidelines and should be reported.

Once again:

only a few mad fuckers hate them, mostly people just find them annoying.

they weren’t imprisoned in their home by cameras. Being in the public RF can carry lot of pressure, but the footage of banks of cameras was mostly not of cameras aimed at them. This has been well covered.

They are not suffering a great deal, they have some troubles as everyone one does, but overall they are very privileged.

They are not caught up in an RF/ press cycle. They are creating their own news cycle in order to earn a load of money up
front and then build influencer type careers. it’s the combination of pretending that they are clueless victims combined with the reality of masterful PR that people find irritating.

You are being a bit very dim OP

This isn't any different to the tens of other 'discussions' dear God ..

I agree with you OP. Why does Andrew not get this hate?

Very dim? Ok, we’ll you attempted a decent explanation but clearly you are swayed by the press.

I see 2 people that have been forced to experience some awful things. Harry didn’t ask to be born into the royals, I think that’s something people forget. Yes he was privileged, but not that much more than billionaire Eton lads. Do you spend as much as time criticising them? I guess you don’t even know any.

And how anyone on this Earth can watch that tiny boy following his mother’s coffin and then talking about his two faces, one for the public and one where he was allowed to grieve? That’s fucking abhorrent. Imagine if you died and that’s how your own child was treated. My god.

I’m only on the 3rd episode so far more commentary coming. I’m sure you’re all very excited!

Wait till you've seen Ep5, you'll be shocked OP.

It has strengthened my views on them.

Thank goodness they left. Well done them

Well exactly. Imagine if mumsnetters put this amount of energy into hating child abuse and paedophiles. It would be eradicated within a decade.

I'm very much in the camp of things may have happened, they may not have, but what I do know is I see a whole lot of moaning and not a whole lot of doing.

If they genuinely went about their business, helping charities etc then people would applaud them. You could even let them have one of the times for 'their truth/story' to be heard. The issue for me is that they keep labouring on that story and there are inconsistencies. Silly things, but it seems they can be easily disproved with a quick google.

They way they have gone about their America move just irks me. Perhaps it's because it comes across as them trying to merch off the royal connection, when they are saying numerous things to damage that same institution? If it was so negative, I wonder why they wouldn't just drop anything related and just live their lives being 'Harry and Meghan'.

I don't hate them. If anything I largely nothing them, like a lot of other celebrities.

My take on it is that Harry hates the press and rightly so. They hounded his mother and were doing the same to his wife. He wanted his family to stick up for him and put a stop to it but they wouldn't because that's just how it is.

They have every right to feel aggrieved. No amount of privilege can make up for your family failing you because of outdated traditions. William and Charles are yes men. They will go along with the charade and the traditions when really it needs a massive overhaul.

I kind of understand H&M's desire to tell their story but I do think after this they ought to go live the peaceful life that they allegedly want. I do believe that's what Harry wants, I'm less sure about Meghans motives. That said I have no right to assume I know anything for a fact. None of us possibly can.

I think because it’s time to let it go? Get on with their lives, be happy. They’ve stated their views and it’s done, but it’s not. On and on it goes.

People just jump on the bandwagon. They are just trying to get by like the rest of us millionaires.

I understand exactly your point. But I still don’t agree.

I see two people hounded by the press. Harry’s father not protecting his child? That’s my opinion on this.

I think the move to America was to protect them both. And tbh, if I had the ways and means to make hundreds of millions from my family abuse (which it was, Harry 100% suffered at least emotional abuse) I would do it too.

My question is: would you not do anything in your power to protect the ones you loved? Even if you’d lied, even if you were smearing your families name. Because I would.

I don’t see how Harry doing what he did is so vile? It’s a normal human reaction to the pressure of being constantly abused.

Every time I think this is going to be about clothes and yet it is about this.
yawn.

Thanks for your great insight! Hope you’re keeping warm atm x

Not another thread. Even I'm bored with them now.

I was so happy for them when they got married and excited what the monarchy could function like in the future, now with a second "normal commoner."

I didn't form an opinion on the tiara issue, or crying issue but started raising an eyebrow with the eco stuff and private jets, not realising godparent info, poverty and showbiz baby shower. Then the big flounce and then wanting half in and half out started to irritate me.

Since COVID and their exit I follow their news like I would a YouTube reality star and watched clips of the latest reality tv show (though I think made in Chelsea is better!) incredulous that he believes he's married his mother and how tone deaf the "love story" is in the wider world context.

Certainly wouldn't hate them but think I was silly for believing this could be something special for the monarchy, uk, commonwealth when really it's eastenders with tiaras on.

This

I don't hate Meghan and Harry. I couldn't care less about them. I don't like/dislike anyone in the Royal Family. H & M decided to leave the UK. Fine. Now they've had their say so can they please just close the door on the way out and get on with their lives/charity work/Netflix series (about anything but them). I have no doubt the press had it in for them. I have no doubt some of the Royal Family disliked Meghan. I have no doubt that Harry didn't help her one little bit when all she was trying to learn all the protocols (or she ignored him). But I don't care. They have had their say - now please just go away.

I'm fully aware there is likely fault on both sides, I'm certainly not absolving the Royal Family of anything.

On the family point I personally think it wouldn't be realistic to say I would do absolutely anything, especially when they are a grown, independent adult. It is clear that Harry was severely affected from his mothers death and that is clear to this day, but a fantastic quote sums it up for me (that I read here!) that it would be an explanation for his behaviour, but not an excuse.

To me it almost seems like he is lashing out and in some instances, being quite cruel with what he is implying. Is he right or is he wrong? Who knows. All I know is that I wouldn't want to air my grievances out in public, as it certainly wouldn't help anything. Surely there must be a limit to how much a person can take?

We will never know the extent of how the royal family acted behind closed doors. There may in fact be numerous stories which they did block on their behalf, but as with the press, some things will always come through. There may also be some truth in some of the negative stories about them- we also don't know that either.

I honestly think both sides have done wrong at some point.

One main thing that bothers me though is when Meghan mentions that she didn't have any help when joining the royal family. If that did happen, surely Harry, her partner, would be able to prep her and guide her? It just seems like a really strange thing not to address why he didn't help her instead? He was born royalty so you would hope he would know the ins and outs!

But why must they shut up for their entire lives? Harry’s entire life has been filmed, documented, papped and shared. Since the day he was born.

I do think Harry helped Meg, I think they were completely blindsided by the abuse they had to deal with at the hands of the press in England. I don’t think either of that saw it coming.

And I’ll say this again. If this was you, if every single person knew your private life, and you were being attacked every single day what would you do?

Because I would want to tell my side, constantly. I wouldn’t let people imagine I was some fucking awful human when all of done was fall in love.

Well... I cannot understand the interest!
They did say that they wanted privacy, for goodness sake! I do not know what privacy means in their dictionary. I am fed up of hearing of them.