I truly do not understand the hate H&M get

[Ostryga]

I’ve just started watching their documentary, mainly due to the endless threads on here and wanting to actually see why people were so upset about them.

I don’t understand how anyone can watch them together, and especially watch Harry’s past and experiences and continue with the hate? Am I seeing something different to everyone else?

On mumsnet one of the biggest upset is that they’ve lied. Well first off, who hasn’t? Everyone lies about something. But surely when you’re being imprisoned in your home due to cameras being set up everywhere and your entire life is on show you’re going to say SOMETHING that doesn’t correlate? I know I would.

And almost every mumsnetter gets upset when a door is knocked when they weren’t expecting it, how the fuck could they live like Meghan did? With cameras absolutely everywhere?

I don't see how anyone with even a smidge of compassion could watch this and still want them to suffer and write such vile things. They’re just 2 people in love with little children caught up in the insane royal family/press cycle.

I have answered every paragraph you've written to me. Sorry, if it's not intellectual enough.

You're hoppingvaround about Harry, then Charles, then Andrew. It's hard to know what you actually want to engage over.

In the worst possible way, you trying to latch on to one sentence I have said in this whole thread to try to turn people against me doesn’t make you better than me.
That does sound to me like you're accusing someone. And you're very insulting to people.

I think it’s like when you have a really annoying brother and enjoy slagging him off to all your mates, but then some random starts slagging him off and you’re like “Woah, that’s my brother, how dare you?”

Meghan’s the random, and the annoying brother is the royal family and/or the U.K.

There’s still a few people who think “She’s right, he’s a dick” but most of us have had our atavistic protectiveness and defensiveness activated. It’s a sort of nationalistic reflex.

I love that post. I have just caught up on this thread and was going to put something similar.

We are brainwashed to love the RF, they are our identity, they shape our lives in a weird way, we are continually spoonfed pretty pictures of posh people in beautiful clothes and jewels, and we can oooh and ahh over them. They bring people together by creating a sense of nationality and patriotism (not me !). We British love to be deferential to a body of people, now the Empire has declined and we are now realising we are actually small in this world.

And along comes criticism of the Monarchy and it shakes us to the core. Someone has lifted the lid on what the RF is actually like and it upsets us and worries us. We want to go back to pretty pictures and complacency about them. We don't want to have to question their behaviour. So we get defensive. I'm allowed to criticise them but woe betide anyone else who questions them even if that someone from within like M&H.

Ostryga calm down!!

You ask for people's opinions and then proceed to get shitty with everyone that disagrees with you.

You like them, good.

Other people find them irritating.

Stop being so invested in two celebrities who have put themselves out there to be judged.

this is interesting. The Palace denied they had been contacted by the producers of the Netflix series saying this via the Telegraph
"Royal sources insisted that neither Buckingham Palace, Kensington Palace nor any member of the Royal family had been approached for comment or given advance sight of any part of the series."

They then backtracked and said they had been contacted but couldn't verify the authenticity of the production company. However, it has been confirmed here that Lee Thompson, communications secretary for the Prince and Princess of Wales, confirmed receipt of the email and requested to see footage from the docuseries which was refused.

So the disclaimer shown in the series was indeed correct.

I honestly think they just lie about too many things. I am sick of hearing all the rubbish that they spout.

People don't discuss him as much as its pretty cut and dry- he's grim. There isn't much to discuss, I don't know anyone who wants to fight his corner (rightly) and so there wouldn't be much to talk about. With H&M that's not the case and both sides are keen to put their opinion across. Personally I agree with a PP, most people find them annoying and just respond to the stuff they put out about themselves rather than genuine hatred.

I don't know anyone who wants to fight his corner (rightly) and so there wouldn't be much to talk about

Believe me... on some Andrew threads there has been posters defending him.

H&M say they wanted to be protected from the press yet managed to have cameras following them around in their personal lives for years to make this documentary....

Inviting a. Camera crew to put out what you want Is not the same as paparazzi?

They clearly do have privacy: look how many of you cry that they're keeping the children away and not giving enough photos of them 🤣

I think hate is a strong word. Piers Morgan and a handful of the more extreme Mumsnetters might hate them.

I think it's generally more that people just don't rate their behaviour very much - courting publicity/milking their connections/being very selective with the truth. The hypocrisy. The erosion of the tremendous love and support there was on their wedding day has to have some roots in what they have done.

Hate, or dislike, doesn't generally come out of thin air.

@Roussette

I am one of the people who has had this reflex reaction. I’m a republican, not very interested in the frocks and walkabouts etc, but since all this, I do find myself thinking, for example, “poor Catherine, how must she be feeling” and feeling angry with H&M. I recognise where that’s come from, though, and try not to get sucked in, not always successfully.

I do feel that the general populace are not as innocent of complicity in all this as we like to pretend. The tabloids print this stuff, because we read it. Diana was chased by paparazzi because those photos sold newspapers and magazines. William & Harry were paraded in front of the public after their mother’s death because the public were demanding it, in a quite disturbing way.

I really don’t think that tabloid media could whip up a frenzy from nothing. The spark is there in public opinion, the tabloids just fan it.

I agree with you OP. Why does Andrew not get this hate?

After he did the documentary there was a major backlash...he has had to disappear from public life. If he did a 6 hour reality show then he would get the backlash.

H&M need to get on with their lives now. It's been 3 years since they left, it isn't healthy to continue to look backwards.

If after the book is released they keep talking of why they left the Royal family then they are the problem as they need to get on with their lives.

Andrew doesn't the hate in press as much as he has slid away.

Unfortunately H & M are in our faces all the time.

They live a very privileged life and need to find alternative ways to ease their mental burden.

With Harry, I think it's because there's a basic rule in that you're only allowed to kick up, not down. But his problem is that he sits so very far up that his room for kicking is very narrow. There's the country, the institution of the monarchy and his father and brother. And his niblings.

But people have a sense of ownership and belonging to those things. And his own value inherently comes from being part of the structure. So he doesn't get to decide how people see him, and he doesn't cope well that fact.

He's stuck in a situation where he hates the media and to an extent the public for killing his mother, but he doesn't seem to quite comprehend that not Diana, not him, not Meghan would EVER be universally popular in the way he thinks they would if only he could convince EVERYONE to see them as he sees them. Because people are allowed independent thought.

Meghan's case is far simpler. She's a woman, she's Californian (an especially un-British part of America), she's mixed race. She was always going to have a rough ride, and unfortunately her partner in the situation was Harry. He was never going to be capable of helping her.

@huniepop it's much more invasive to have a camera crew follow you around. Paparazzi don't go inside your home.

No it's not? They put out the narrative they want. How is that more invasive than paparazzi and tabloids writing any rubbish about you?

You don't have to like them but what purpose does it serve to disagree with every minute thing they do? It's much better to have your own documentary series where you say what you like, than journalists gossiping about you.

I'm with you op, despite my username. I quite like the monarchy but at the same time I do recognise how weird the whole institution is. Just ordinary people in these venerated positions and despite the wealth, have their whole lives completely controlled, down to what they can say, how they act and what jobs they can do.

I can't get my head round the hate and irritation. Here is someone who has shunned the class system and clearly shuns racism and champions strong, intelligent women. I can't understand why mumsnet wouldn't celebrate that. Is it because they undermine the British class system that posters find so threatening. Here is someone who is aristocratic basically saying what a load of old crap it is. I love that!

Meghan is clearly intelligent and a strong female role model who isn't afraid of calling out the media. How are posters not in admiration of that? The stories that they wrote about her in contrast to the way they wrote about Catherine is disgusting. Do they prefer Catherine, the English rose, who has absolutely no voice? Personally, I think Catherine was the golden girl and then felt threatened by Meghan when she came along. Why are posters so reluctant to believe the systematic attacks when the evidence that Meghan was being vilified is in print and evidence.

I also see the difference between paparazzi hounding and making money from you and you being in control of your own narrative and making money for yourselves. (I don't blame them for making money out of it- the media frenzy around them means they'll need a level of finance to protect themselves)

How can posters not see the traumatised boy who is desperately trying to avoid the mistakes of the past? Have some sympathy/ empathy!

He hasn't damned his family, he has damned the control of his family. Good on him for speaking out.

As for the lies, which lies are these? How do you know they are lies? I know the company used footage to illustrate media intrusion but is this worthy of hate?

When Meghan said she wasn’t prepared to serve up her child on a silver platter I thought good for you . The pressure to pose with a new born baby was immense .
Then we discover that they were planning to sell photos of their children to the highest bidder ! Am I the only one uncomfortable about the photo of Archie in the bath ? Surely that’s very personal.

@Godsavetheking2022

Meghan claimed that the Canadian police didn’t help them . This has been strongly denied by the Toronto Chief of Police .
Lies catch up with you .

@BethJ62 it depends on your version of events and interpretation. It's not necessarily a lie. Toronto police might think they helped but it was a drop in the Ocean compared to the harassment and the police weren't able to offer the surveillance and protection needed. Why would the Toronto police force have the resources for that?

When they were in Canada they also had a team of Met officers with them . They weren’t unprotected the way Meghan implied .
She has history of being economical with the truth so I tend to believe the Police Chief.

Andrew doesn’t keep producing podcasts, books and Netflix. He doesn’t appear at galas. There’s not much about him to comment on. If there was, there’d be threads.

Because he stays out of the media and therefore is out of peoples’ minds.

Don’t think anyone actually hates them, do they? Other than some weirdo key board warriors. Most folks just dislike their behaviour and find it unacceptable

im surprised by two things, how very riled up you are coming across and how easily you excuse dishonesty