I truly do not understand the hate H&M get

[Ostryga]

I’ve just started watching their documentary, mainly due to the endless threads on here and wanting to actually see why people were so upset about them.

I don’t understand how anyone can watch them together, and especially watch Harry’s past and experiences and continue with the hate? Am I seeing something different to everyone else?

On mumsnet one of the biggest upset is that they’ve lied. Well first off, who hasn’t? Everyone lies about something. But surely when you’re being imprisoned in your home due to cameras being set up everywhere and your entire life is on show you’re going to say SOMETHING that doesn’t correlate? I know I would.

And almost every mumsnetter gets upset when a door is knocked when they weren’t expecting it, how the fuck could they live like Meghan did? With cameras absolutely everywhere?

I don't see how anyone with even a smidge of compassion could watch this and still want them to suffer and write such vile things. They’re just 2 people in love with little children caught up in the insane royal family/press cycle.

I started threads on Andrew at the height of his disgrace (VG statement, him hiding from being served papers at Balmoral/Windsor, the paying off of ££££££ by his Mum) and the response was pretty apathetic I can tell you.

Sex with a 17 year old is not paedophilia. The correct word is Ephebophilia, which is a sexual attraction to post pubescent teens Ie 15-19.

paedophilia is a sexual attraction to pre pubescent children.

Andrews apparent crime is not he is a paedophile. It is he had sex with a 17 year old trafficked girl, knowing full well she was trafficked and thus unable to consent willingly .

I don't hate them. I don't understand their pursuit of privacy yet making this documentary but, hey ho. I thought they were incredibly normal. I thought the media are horrible and the RF are not very good at giving support to incoming members.

But harry is part of the royal family and was a senior royal. As such at his age he was more than capable of steering his wife through this. If he was unable to why does he think any other members of his family could. What did he want Charles or William to do it? Harry knew exactly what it was like

and they did loads for them, from defending them to even giving them their own office and staff , which they were not entitled to. They also threw them 2.5 million of tax payers money to refurbish frogmore for them to live in.

some of it is all so illogical, she tells us she wanted a therapist and the head of royal staff didn’t help her get one and said no. The palace confirmed that’s because staff don’t do that, it’s not their role. Meghan or harry had to find their own therapist. Just like everyone else. Harry was already in therapy, it makes no sense that he was allowed and Meghan wasn’t. If anyone believes that if be surprised. Meghan has spun it into it was as it would look bad. How would it look bad. Who was to even know if she went to therapy. Her husband was in therapy and she knew that/

I don’t understand the constant “But Andrew” thing. There’s nothing to discuss when everyone agrees! When he did the interview, that attracted attention -well, mirth - but then he’s faded away and is just thought of as a pompous, thick and seedy rf member who hopefully is holed up somewhere out of public view.

Totally different to M&H who are never out of the public eye. I was awake in the night and thinking that if they’d stepped back and stayed in Canada, good luck to them. A shame that they felt that way, but I think most would have wished them well.

But now it is very apparent that the whole thing was a Netflix drama from the off: all that filming is a Big Clue that There Was A Plan. I’m even suspicious that this is The Truman Show and there’s a big baddy from Netflix directing the whole thing, with Harry oblivious!

I think that's a bit harsh. The Queen offered her Sophie's services as she too had entered the family after having previously worked. Meghan turned the offer down.
Ed Lane Fox, Harry's private secretary, gave her an information book on over 30 different issues, giving information and guidance and providing names and telephone numbers of people she could ask advice and more detailed help from.
It's not like they can set up lessons for a new arrival once every 10 years. It's true most people marrying in would be British so would be familiar with some things, but is it really such a big thing, for example, to look up the British anthem and learn 7 lines with the content of 19 different words. And she's an actress so it's not like she's not good at learning lines. Was she expecting an around the piano sing song or a music teacher?She was advised to take some time watching and learning but she decided she didn't want to go that way.
Ultimately the Palace can only help if people are happy to accept their advice.

They also threw them 2.5 million of tax payers money to refurbish frogmore for them to live in.

They paid it back. It's in the Royal Report.

I don't hate them. Mostly I don't care much either way about them.

I do think there is a distinctly racist tone to some of the U.K. tabloid reporting, which must have been very challenging for them. But I also think that there's a massive dollop of hyprocrisy in the way they claim to want a quiet life, out of the spotlight, but then accept a massive ton of cash for a 6-hour documentary. And Harry just seems hell-bent washing his family's dirty laundry in public - which is particularly tacky.

That money included an unspecified amount for rent .

Yes, didn't he get some sort of cut-price deal for renewing the lease so it offset some of the money he owed? Can't remember where I read that now.

Andrew isn't that interesting, even though his crimes are much (much) worse. Its misogyny and racism with MM. Men are excused all kinds of heinous crimes. She is despised because she's a beautiful woman/american/black/wearing the trousers in a relationship/confident etc. I'm no fan of the pair of tone deaf idiots but it's as plain as day as to why she and they are getting a hammering.

Oh the hypocracy of being up in arms about Harry betraying the family and the apparent lies (or version of events). The family that live their whole lives through some weird pretence that they are somehow superior to the rest of us. The same people who are happy to keep up this pretence in order to live rich and privileged lifestyles with staff to cater to every whim. The family that have proven time and time again that they are liars, philanderers, cheats. Our very own King had a sham marriage based on the lie that he loved this naive 19 year old then proceeded to destroy her mental health and life by having, at best, an emotional affair until he had a full blown one. Harry was then expected to play Happy families...mumsnet would normally be urging the child to go NC in such a toxic drama.

If Charles wanted to carry on like that, why didn't HE step down and wander off to live a quiet life, why did HE insist that we all accept the OW and work hard to make sure he was King and she his consort. Why have we all forgotten this so conveniently. William is also rumoured to have had an affair. Mumsnet would normally be up in arms at these heinous betrayals. What has Harry done that is worse than this apart from loved and protected his family. He has no more sponged off the UK tax payer or cashed in on Royalty than the rest of them. At least he is trying to live independently now which can't be said for the rest of the imperious free loaders. Having said that, I like William and Other members of the family but accept that they are free loaders. I sense William's burden and It will be interesting to see how the monarchy plays out when Charles dies.

I see you’ve taken the one-sided Netflix narrative hook, line and sinker OP.

Despite them lying, using footage that isn’t even them, dramatic music, spurious headlines that don’t come from the British press and the word of two filthy-rich, narcissistic dimwits who took British taxpayers for mugs. There have been numerous rebuttals from credible, well-respected sources including long standing members of palace staff and BBC.

If you ‘don’t get it’ I think that says more about your critical thinking than those who think these pair of whiners have been somehow victimised. Look at where they are. If it wasn’t for the British institution of monarchy they’d be nothing. He’d be an Asda trolly boy at best. She - a third rate actress who wouldn’t have even looked at him without his HRH title.

…Who don’t think… that should’ve said.

They’re just not as good as they used to be. Cheap and nasty - you may as well get Primark.

😂

I think most people would have wished them well if they had simply said Royal life is not for us, thanks but no thanks and sailed off into the sunset in the mansion in the sun.
It's the constant rehashing that's irritating and the whole ' we're too warm and good at the job for the boring racist royals:
Megan constantly referencing her huge sacrifice . She was a working royal for 18 months . All just seems a bit whingey to me
They simply appear out of touch and incredibly irritating. Most people I've heard mentioning them just find them annoying. I don't see the hate more or eye roll.

@UWhatNow

So you have believed vitriolic media stance and the narrative of the palace to protect the institution? Of course there are going to be 'reliable sources' from the palace. Maybe you're not a critical thinker yourself? You only have to read the vitriolic, vile article that Jeremy Clarkson has written and understand that someone authorised this to be printed to know what an utterly vile shit show of misogyny and racism this is. This is no other than a witch hunt of the vilest proportions. Media have done an amazing propaganda job at convincing the British public that H and M are public enemy number one.

Does it not cross your mind that the whole of the RF are free loaders profiting from their status and if not why not? Credible sources my foot! Do you think the RF have a track record of honesty and morality. Give me a break.

That's quite a hyperbolic stance. You can cast a critical eye on H&M without being ''vile'' (Clarkson style). You can also be very cynical about, as you say, the press intrusion on their lives - for which Netflix had to borrow other people's footage - when they themselves have invited cameras into their homes and are willing to share baby ultrasounds, home videos of them crying, therapy, paranoia, talking about private family events, too many snogging photos to mention. You can roll your eyes at them acting like a pair of loved up teenagers 'first love' puppy dogs, with wedding speeches about fairy tails and their ''the greatest love story ever'' type schtick. Doesn't mean that you are hateful and vile - just critical thinking.

I know, surely everyone knows? The conversation was about them saying they got no help. The point people are making is they got plenty

I’m not an apologist for Clarkson. I’m talking about what I’ve seen with my own eyes. Crowds of thousands waving and wishing them well at Windsor on their multi million pound tax-payer-funded wedding day but the face on Meghan turning very sour the minute she realised that royal life isn’t all glitz, mansions to call your own and arse licking servants. Its about duty and service - long boring hours in drafty cathedrals, hospital wards, shaking hands with the great unwashed. Oh no. Megan didn’t marry a prince to do that did she?

Harry clearly didn’t brief her in all their canoodling and psycho-babble conversations? Interesting that…

She’s mocked the queen, the institution that has existed longer than the country she was born in and made mugs out of the British tax payers who consent to a RF but only as long as they don’t take piss. Which H&M are. Massively.

Talking about ‘her sacrifice’? How anyone can take her seriously is utterly baffling to me.

You obviously are an apologist for Clarkson in the 'she deserved it' mode.

Exactly. 👏

Since the Oprah interview with Meghan and Harry has cropped up again, here is several questionable claims they made to Oprah that clearly aren't true.

Claim: "I guess the highlight for me is sticking him on the back of a bicycle in his little baby seat and taking him on bike rides which is something I was never able to do when I was young. I can sit him on the back and he’s got his arms out and he’s like ‘whoah’.” - Prince Harry

Truth: Harry did go on bike rides with his father at various ages. Photos available online.

Claim: Meghan: “[But] you know, three days before our wedding, we got married. No-one knows that.

“We called the Archbishop and we just said, ‘Look, this thing, this spectacle is for the world but we want our union between us.’ So, the vows that we have framed in our room are just the two of us in our backyard with the Archbishop of Canterbury.”

Harry added: “Just the three of us.”

Truth: Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby: “The legal wedding was on the Saturday. I signed the wedding certificate, which is a legal document, and I would have committed a serious criminal offence if I signed it knowing it was false.”

Claim: Oprah: "After their move, Harry and Meghan say security normally provided by the royal family was cut off.”

Harry: “I never thought that I would have my security removed, because I was born into this position. I inherited the risk. So that was a shock to me. That was what completely changed the whole plan.”

Truth: Only a strict few members of the Royal Family were entitled to 24/7 protection at the time of the Oprah interview. These are:

the Queen and Prince Philip
Charles and wife Camilla Duchess of Cornwall
William and Kate and their kids

Working Royals are entitled to protection ONLY when undertaking official Royal duties. Princess Anne and Prince Edward are two examples.

Non-working members of the Royal Family are NOT entitled to official protection. Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice as well as the Queen's eldest grandchild, Zara Tindal are examples.

"Once Harry and Meghan step down as working royals, they become high net worth individuals/A-list celebrities but that doesn’t entitle them to taxpayer-funded security. Elton John has to pay for his own security and so do Harry and Meghan.” - Simon Morgan, a former royal protection officer.

Royal Protection officers are funded by the British Taxpayer.

Both Harry and Oprah clearly pointed the finger at the Royal Family regarding the loss of Royal Protection officers for Harry and Meghan.

In truth, London Metropolitan Police’s Royal and VIP Executive Committee make the decisions over who is entitled to Protection.

And who isn't.

Harry knew very well that ceasing to be a working Royal would absolutely mean losing the elite protection. After all, it was never a secret that various non-working Royals do NOT get armed protection.

So, why would he and his wife?

The truth was clearly distorted by Oprah, Meghan and Harry.

Claim: Meghan: "You couldn’t just go. You couldn’t. I mean, you have to understand, as well, when I joined that family, that was the last time, until we came here, that I saw my passport, my driver’s licence, my keys. All that gets turned over. I didn’t see any of that any more."

Truth: For security reasons, the passports of each member of the Royal Family is looked after until they require them for international travel. That's just commonsense.

To Oprah, Meghan claimed she never saw her passport again until "we came here" which would be California. However, this is clearly a lie as she required her passport for travelling to Canada upon leaving the UK.

And, in 2019, required her passport for travel to the USA for a rather extravagant baby shower which was attended by many of her friends.

All members of the Royal Family require a passport for ALL travel where its required.

Except for the Queen since it's issued in her name.

As proven here: www.royal.uk/passports

Meghan Markle also claimed:

"....the first member of color in this family isn't being titled in the same way as other grandchildren would be."

On the contrary, Archie is really treated no differently to the Queen's grandchildren who aren't entitled to the Prince and Princess style.

Zara Tindall and Peter Phillips, for example, don't have this style. Zara is the Queen's eldest grandchild, by the way.

Furthermore, Prince Edward's children are NOT styled as Prince and Princess despite the Letters Patent of 1917. They are styled as children of the Earl - not HRH Prince and Princess.

Edward's children are the first to have the double barrelled Mountbatten-Windsor name.

Harry and Meghan's son, Archie, is treated in the exact same way as Edward's children AND he carries the same double barrelled surname as they do.

Of course, Meghan incorrectly referred to Archie as one of the Queen's grandchildren. He was a great-grandson of the late Queen since his father, Harry was her grandson. Archie was treated NO differently to any great-grandchildren who WEREN'T entitled to Prince and Princess titles during the late Queen's reign.

I don't hate them but I strongly dislike them for several reasons. Mostly the race bating. Yes, Meghan received a small amount of arguable racist press but her lack of popularity is mostly due to her own behaviour in my opinion and had very little to nothing to do with press. Most of the examples of horrific press headlines used in both Oprah and Netflix were either from foreign press anyway or weren't even about H&M (eg the Angels and Demons one which was obviously supposed to imply that white members of the RF were being portrayed as saints but was actually about the Hillsborough disaster). This is hugely damaging and unfair to people on an individual level living in the UK and also to progress and race relations more generally. And now they've contradicted their own story by coming out and saying that the press loved them until they got too popular and the RF started briefing against them. I just think they can't cope with being unpopular (caused by their own behaviour) and are blaming others and making false accusations of racism to make themselves feel more saintly. They can't admit to their own poor behaviour.

@meinteresamucho

www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-double-standards-royal

UK press being hypocritical towards MM as usual.