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I truly do not understand the hate H&M get

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Ostryga · 16/12/2022 18:37

I’ve just started watching their documentary, mainly due to the endless threads on here and wanting to actually see why people were so upset about them.

I don’t understand how anyone can watch them together, and especially watch Harry’s past and experiences and continue with the hate? Am I seeing something different to everyone else?

On mumsnet one of the biggest upset is that they’ve lied. Well first off, who hasn’t? Everyone lies about something. But surely when you’re being imprisoned in your home due to cameras being set up everywhere and your entire life is on show you’re going to say SOMETHING that doesn’t correlate? I know I would.

And almost every mumsnetter gets upset when a door is knocked when they weren’t expecting it, how the fuck could they live like Meghan did? With cameras absolutely everywhere?

I don't see how anyone with even a smidge of compassion could watch this and still want them to suffer and write such vile things. They’re just 2 people in love with little children caught up in the insane royal family/press cycle.

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MayQueeen · 26/05/2023 19:11

I kept waiting for the old familiar names to chime in and start stirring the pot, baiting other posters by calling them racists until the thread gets so out of hand the end up completely deleted.

it’s been a few days and shock horror, peopel are sharing different opinions calmly and politely - without it turning into carnage.

are we truly free?! 😂

tigger2022 · 27/05/2023 05:49

Is this an old thread? Anyway the “documentary” was a one-sided bit of PR so I don’t think it got ‘hate’, people were just watching it and engaging critical thinking, checking the facts for themselves, which is… good?

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TrashyPanda · 27/05/2023 12:38

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You like hate fests? Why?

this thread is perfectly pleasant. Why would anyone want to disrupt things? That would be a near catastrophe. Enough to make seals sing and grown fall to their knees.

TrashyPanda · 27/05/2023 12:48

tigger2022 · 27/05/2023 05:49

Is this an old thread? Anyway the “documentary” was a one-sided bit of PR so I don’t think it got ‘hate’, people were just watching it and engaging critical thinking, checking the facts for themselves, which is… good?

Yes. It is an old thread.
if you scroll up you can see the evidence for yourself.
all their PR is crap. Like describing MM as one of the most powerful women in the world (to which the world laughed heartily), or calling their decision to drive around in circles for 2 hours a “near catastrophe”. Or using OS as a mouthpiece

BeatrixKidd · 27/05/2023 13:09

It's a tiny handful of people who are fixated who are driving it, imo.

There was some investigation online that found that just a small number of people were running hundreds of separate Twitter accounts dedicated to Meghan hate.

On Buzzfeed, whenever there's an article about Meghan, you'll see immediately see a whole bunch of comments all posted within a timeframe of a few minutes slagging her off and calling her an abusive narcissist and repeating crazy conspiracy theories about it, and when you click on their profiles they all registered that day and have no other comments. It's really obvious it's just one extremely obsessed person who just mass-creates new accounts, uses them to make a single comment, then ditches them. As part of a plan to make it look like Meghan is widely hated.

There's one poster on here who goes on other forums (the kind of forums where Meghan is routinely called the N word and worse) bragging that they've been banned from Mumsnet more than 30 times and that they keep making new email accounts so they can create new Mumsnet accounts to keep posting Meghan hate. The sheer scale of hate threads here is crazy and they are often started by posters who never post outside of Meghan threads. During the engagement there were like 10 new Meghan bash threads per day, that's not normal.

Obviously a big part of it is racism. But a huge part is the rise of "parasocial" Internet-celebrity relationships. When Benedict Cumberbatch got married, a small group of extremely obsessed fans got fixated with hating his wife because she took him away from them, and for eight years now they've essentially made it their full-time job to spread hate and deranged conspiracy theories about her online. It's literally like half a dozen people with hundreds of fake accounts who each spend hours every day posting that she's a bitch, a prostitute, a fake wife for PR, their kids are lifelike dolls, controlling, abusive, all the same things they say about Meghan. Except a couple of them really went off the deep end (clearly mental illness is a factor) and invented this whole paranoid conspiracy theory where Cumby's wife is the head of a Satanic cult and a major human trafficker. I guess they got sucked into Q-Anon stuff too and the Q-Anon theories are colouring their obsession with the poor wife.

Internet communities really groom people into these cult-like hate groups, and give unhappy frustrated people who feel voiceless an outlet for their misery and anger at the world, and make them feel important and like they know things about the world that no one else knows. It gives them a purpose in life: expose this Bad Person/Thing! These groups also make people feel empowered because it's proactive - they "research" their target online, and if they find inconsistencies (like a celeb says slightly different things in different interviews, or a celeb's pregnancy bump looks slightly different at different times), rather than brush it off as human beings being fallible and changeable they'll take it as evidence and vindication that they're right and should keep going, get validation from others in their group, and basically act like Woodward and Bernstein.

Doesn't matter if it's Q-Anon, Sophie Hunter hate, Meghan hate, Larrie truthers, white supremacy groups, flat earth, anti-vax, it's all the same psychology.

BeatrixKidd · 27/05/2023 13:10

TrashyPanda · 27/05/2023 12:38

You like hate fests? Why?

this thread is perfectly pleasant. Why would anyone want to disrupt things? That would be a near catastrophe. Enough to make seals sing and grown fall to their knees.

"Them" presumably refers to Harry and Meghan.

TrashyPanda · 27/05/2023 13:41

BeatrixKidd · 27/05/2023 13:10

"Them" presumably refers to Harry and Meghan.

Best not to assume anything, take t

TrashyPanda · 27/05/2023 13:46

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MarshaMelrose · 27/05/2023 14:33

There was some investigation online that found that just a small number of people were running hundreds of separate Twitter accounts dedicated to Meghan hate.

Actually, that claim was subsequently proved to be untrue. Twitter investigated and out of all the hundreds accounts Chritopher Bouzy identified, Twitter only found 4 to be bogus and consequently closed them down.

There's a whole video devoted to showing how Bouzy's algorithm didn't work.

polkadotdalmation · 27/05/2023 15:22

@BeatrixKidd I've posted on here for a few years and never seen anything like you portray as fixated people who hate on meghan and harry and use vile language. They would be picked up immediatly and deleted. There are totally mad people out there who are fixated on pro and negative ideas. I don't do twitter or any other bonkers platform so I can't comment, but you get anti vaxxers and similar nutjobs everywhere.

As Marsha says, the christopher Bouzey claims were debunked and proven untrue. He, by the way also posted a good few nasty tweets about william and kate, so its clear where his loyalties lie.

It is possible to dislike people for their behaviour and literally nothing else. So no conspiracy theories here.

ArcaneWireless · 27/05/2023 15:25

@HeddaGarbled

The spark is there in public opinion, the tabloids just fan it.

Amen to that.

I would like to add to that though OP. I find posters who are intent on trying on a frothmeister general hat fan it too.

The truth is that the very vast majority of people do not hate them. Why would they? But it suits some people’s agendas to say it does.

Adds to the froth. And then they get to bring everyone else and his mother into the argument to have a pop at others.

You see it time and time again.

Once the froth clears a bit.

Disliking or disagreeing with something they’ve done or said is another kettle of fish and a lot closer to the mark.

And as for saying everyone lies? That doesn’t make it right. And to insinuate we may do something similar in their circumstances?

Naw.

BadgerB · 27/05/2023 16:25

I see two people hounded by the press. Harry’s father not protecting his child? That’s my opinion on this.

  1. I see two people courting the press
  2. Harry is not a child
  3. He called Camilla "evil". If I was Charles I wouldn't give him the time of day.

Camilla may be evil - I don't know, But you can't expect Charles to accept that.

BadgerB · 27/05/2023 16:35

Ostryga · 16/12/2022 22:0
I would never defend a man that ruins children’s live by sexually assaulting them.

Neither would I, and I think his connection with Epstein shows what a blind idiot he is.
However, one young lady is now a millionairess...

jeffgoldblum · 27/05/2023 17:22

MarshaMelrose · 27/05/2023 14:33

There was some investigation online that found that just a small number of people were running hundreds of separate Twitter accounts dedicated to Meghan hate.

Actually, that claim was subsequently proved to be untrue. Twitter investigated and out of all the hundreds accounts Chritopher Bouzy identified, Twitter only found 4 to be bogus and consequently closed them down.

There's a whole video devoted to showing how Bouzy's algorithm didn't work.

Welcome back!!! , I've missed reading your posts, I was worried about you 💐

8roses · 27/05/2023 18:26

it really didn’t take that much for the die hard h and m supporters to slink away did it? 😂 was it the fake car chase that finally saw them off?

polkadotdalmation · 27/05/2023 18:46

8roses · 27/05/2023 18:26

it really didn’t take that much for the die hard h and m supporters to slink away did it? 😂 was it the fake car chase that finally saw them off?

Funding cuts?

Probably get deleted for that LOL!

mixedrecycling · 27/05/2023 19:58

It is very strange. Two had posts deleted (one for racism and one for a personal attack) and all of them disappeared.

Personally I'm glad, I felt under group attack having challenged their accusations of racism.

Despite their claims, very few - if any - posters denied there was some racist media. But there was also positive media as well. And not everything could be chalked up to racism, a lot was because of H&M's behaviour and statements.

DreamTheMoors · 27/05/2023 20:14

Alarae · 16/12/2022 18:58

I'm very much in the camp of things may have happened, they may not have, but what I do know is I see a whole lot of moaning and not a whole lot of doing.

If they genuinely went about their business, helping charities etc then people would applaud them. You could even let them have one of the times for 'their truth/story' to be heard. The issue for me is that they keep labouring on that story and there are inconsistencies. Silly things, but it seems they can be easily disproved with a quick google.

They way they have gone about their America move just irks me. Perhaps it's because it comes across as them trying to merch off the royal connection, when they are saying numerous things to damage that same institution? If it was so negative, I wonder why they wouldn't just drop anything related and just live their lives being 'Harry and Meghan'.

I don't hate them. If anything I largely nothing them, like a lot of other celebrities.

All that because you “…largely nothing them…”

Right. Sure. Of course.

DreamTheMoors · 27/05/2023 20:21

I’ll never understand the hatred for two people folks do not know, will never meet, and who have absolutely no effect on their lives whatsoever.
It’s absurd.

mixedrecycling · 27/05/2023 20:35

How do you diagnose 'hate'? Is criticism of two people who put themselves in the pubic eye automatically 'hate'? Or could the ensuing discussion just be, y'know, chat about two people who put themselves in the public eye? Identifying inconsistencies doesn't necessarily equal 'hate'.

TrashyPanda · 27/05/2023 20:39

DreamTheMoors · 27/05/2023 20:21

I’ll never understand the hatred for two people folks do not know, will never meet, and who have absolutely no effect on their lives whatsoever.
It’s absurd.

I’ll never understand people who make baseless accusations and love to criticise other posters for daring to have a different opinion to their own. @ArcaneWireless posted a wise response.

this is a discussion board. It thrives on people being individuals and having their own views. It’s absurd to suggest everyone either shares the same opinion or they are somehow more eXpressing hatred.

ArcaneWireless · 27/05/2023 20:55

Panda I think it was Alarae who was being wise. 😊

I think my posts just have a weary resignation to them these days…

For what it is worth, absurd though it may be, I am beginning to develop the beginnings of dislike for those who keep stirring the pot creating frothy threads.

Not hate.

I hate one person. And they absolutely deserve a lifetime of misery. And my hate.

And funnily enough it isn’t Harry or Meghan.

BadgerB · 28/05/2023 06:47

DreamTheMoors · Yesterday 20:21
I’ll never understand the hatred for two people folks do not know, will never meet, and who have absolutely no effect on their lives whatsoever.
It’s absurd.

Oh Gosh! You actually KNOW them them then? They have an effect on your life?
I'll bow to your greater right than mine to have an opinion, of course.....

Or maybe one is allowed to have a favourable* opinion without *knowing them? Just having a critical one not allowed?

Aslanplustwo · 28/05/2023 08:12

MarshaMelrose · 16/12/2022 21:06

And I’ll say this again. If this was you, if every single person knew your private life, and you were being attacked every single day what would you do?

Well, clearly they don't think everyone knows about their private life, or they wouldn't do an interview, a series, podcasts, a documentary and a book (with interviews) to tell everyone about their private lives.

And just in case people found that boring, they livened it up by talking about other people's private lives. So no one must talk about theirs but they can talk about whose ever they like.

Well said. For someone who apparently the public know everything about he seems to be at pains to keep ramming his "problems" down our throats. I'm sure many people are simply bored with them and wish they would shut up and carry on with their lives in private - but no, they keep popping up with more and more ridiculous antics and can't seem to grasp the fact that each time they do this all they are achieving is alienating more of the general public.