I truly do not understand the hate H&M get

[Ostryga]

I’ve just started watching their documentary, mainly due to the endless threads on here and wanting to actually see why people were so upset about them.

I don’t understand how anyone can watch them together, and especially watch Harry’s past and experiences and continue with the hate? Am I seeing something different to everyone else?

On mumsnet one of the biggest upset is that they’ve lied. Well first off, who hasn’t? Everyone lies about something. But surely when you’re being imprisoned in your home due to cameras being set up everywhere and your entire life is on show you’re going to say SOMETHING that doesn’t correlate? I know I would.

And almost every mumsnetter gets upset when a door is knocked when they weren’t expecting it, how the fuck could they live like Meghan did? With cameras absolutely everywhere?

I don't see how anyone with even a smidge of compassion could watch this and still want them to suffer and write such vile things. They’re just 2 people in love with little children caught up in the insane royal family/press cycle.

But WHY not?

Why not make millions? I would, you would even if you want to pretend to be noble.

The royal title thing is bullshit. Harry was born into this and never asked for it, let him make hella money off of this. He lost his mother due to the title.

H’s screwed them first. I think that’s blatantly obvious. So they’re just putting their side forward.

I would love to see any proper discussions to the points I’ve raised in this thread. So far there have been zero.

Sorry that should say H’s family ie the king etc

Didn't see the topic and thought it was about the clothing store. Was wondering who would feel so strongly about them 🤣

I’m really sorry to be potentially nasty now, but are you hard of understanding?

Unnecessary, but go on.

They were public property. He was a prince for goodness sake! They had no privacy. It was very clear from how Meghan was absolutely hounded.

Then Prince William must be public property too. What do you know about his private life within the privacy of his own propery? I bet next to nothing. Similarly, what did you now of Harry's before this documentary?
Prince Harry obviously did have some privacy because according to them, they dated for six months with no one knowing. We had no idea how they lived their life together. Or how they interacted with the other royals. We had very few private pictures of them or their chikdren. So how is this not privacy? He said himself it's not so much paps chasing them these days but more online abuse. Awful. But even worse for someone to spy onto your property and take naked photos of you and publish then in magazines and on the internet. Did that happen to Meghan? No. Can you imagine what people would say if they'd done that to Meghan? I think the term racism would be used more than on

With everything hes told us and released, he's invaded his own privacy more now than anyone else has ever done.

The other people’s live they’re talking about are also public. So why are you so worried for one set and not the other

It's not about worrying about one set mire than the other. It's about mutual respect and treating others like you want to be treated yourselfHarry didn't want his life to be public. You've just complained he was allowed no privacy. You think it's appalling. But neither you nor he think there's anything wrong in invading other people's privacy and exposing their private thoughts, shared with the expectation they won't be repeated. That's somewhat hypocritical, don't you think?
Neither William nor Charles have ever spoken about him other than to express their love for him. And I'm sure they have lots of stuff they could expose if they wanted to. Meanwhile Harry can't stop himself churning out remarks about his family that both his father and brother will find hurtful.

@Ostryga

The man that you sing to, who is on your coins is abusive. And I don’t think people want to fully admit that.

In the nicest possible way, you sound utterly crazy!

In the worst possible way, you trying to latch on to one sentence I have said in this whole thread to try to turn people against me doesn’t make you better than me.

But thanks for your input.

Because in Andrew's defence he has stayed very, very quiet. If he came out the woodworks I have no doubt he would get hate.

I also think they've gone a bit things all wrong.

They should have left. Done come useful work to actually prove and valid themselves and THEN sold their story afterwards.

They should have given it a few years but all this book, interview, Oprah one after the other it feels all they've done is sell their story - something they criticise others so heavily for. They've not actually done any work or very little good in the world and instead are cashing in on family drama.

It makes them look pathetic. Greedy, entitled and spoilt because that's what they are. I don't even hate them, at all really but I can see this a mile off and therefore have little respect for them.

This is why so many people dislike them.

Yes. I’m his ‘defence’ being quiet about his paedophilia should definitely be a reason to not talk about it.

Listen to yourself for gods sake

*in

I would never defend a man that ruins children’s live by sexually assaulting them.

You can’t close a chapter on abuse. You can say it and wish it, as I’m sure they both did.

But it doesn’t just end because the UK don't want to hear about it. You can shove your head in the sand as much as you want to.

First of all I dont know aboit what abuses he said he suffered as a child. So I can't comment on that. Bit we do know that he suffered trauma from his mother dying. It's clear its something he's still struggling with.

On mumsnet one of the biggest upset is that they’ve lied. Well first off, who hasn’t? Everyone lies about something. But surely when you’re being imprisoned in your home due to cameras being set up everywhere and your entire life is on show you’re going to say SOMETHING that doesn’t correlate? I know I would.

So H&M telling whoppers about their lives and families is ok because everyone tells lies? 🤔

No-one forced M&H to put themselves on show in the Oprah interview and Netflix series. Also, by that stage H&M weren’t imprisoned anywhere. They were in the US and had the leisure and autonomy over editing to check their facts and correct any lies.

I know I’d make sure I’d got my facts straight before going on TV.

Sorry, my phone is jumping around all over the place this evening and I posted early.
I'll carry on writing...

Amongst the hundreds of other posts about them you nailed it. Well done!

OP I sense that our morals and sense of decency are not aligned.

I do not believe that most people would sell their family the way Harry has. And certainly not when they are already independently very wealthy.

You can’t close a chapter on abuse. You can say it and wish it, as I’m sure they both did.

But it doesn’t just end because the UK don't want to hear about it. You can shove your head in the sand as much as you want to.

First of all I dont know what abuses he said he suffered as a child. So I can't comment on that. But we do know that he suffered trauma from his mother dying. It's clear it's something he's still struggling with. But he has been given therapy when he was a child, when he was a young adult and he told us william told him in his 30s he needed to get help. He ignored it all. His dad could make him go to therapy, but it's up to Harry to put the work in and he didnt want to. It was only when M threatened to leave him that he started to do something about it. His family would never have threatened to leave him.

I been very fortunate and have seen several therapists. It's hard work. But never did any say the best way to deal with things is to confront people in front of a large group of people, including their friends and colleagues, and accuse them of different things without them being able to reply back. That would be abusive. And yet H thinks this is a good way to relieve his stress. But its clear it isn't helping because he's no further forward since the OW interview.

He sees his whole life in terms of his mother's death. It's not healthy and either he nor M will be ale to live like that for very long. I dont know who's advising him to deal with his mental health problem so publicly, but he needs to find himself someone else because this way isn't working for him.

The rest of your post is just jumbled.

The man that you sing to, who is on your coins is abusive. And I don’t think people want to fully admit that.

How has he abused Harry?

So an American woman becomes the scape goat.

For what?

Again - why aren’t you so up in arms about The King’s brother fucking children??

You have no idea what I think of PA but he is not the subject of the thread. If you want to discuss PA, start a thread for that purpose.

@MarshaMelrose I cannot respond to you because you are someone that I refuse to waste a second of my time on.

What I will say is you are minimising abuse, and you are minimise child sexual assault. Children being abused does not get stuck on “another thread”.

Yep. It’s so disturbing that people are more enraged and focused on H& M.

What does PA possibly sleeping with a17yo, have to do with PH' s need for therapy?
I think you're quite fragile, accusing posters of trying to turn everyone against you. You're not developing any arguments but just jumping around to try and make something stick.

You're quite right not to engage further.

Are you not capable having opinions about several things at the same time then?

Like most people I don't hate them, but find them whiny, irritating and dishonest. For all the many reasons already given.

Read all of my responses. Not one single person (yourself included) is able to give an educated response to any of my questions.

I’m not fragile (what does that even mean) or accusing anyone. I’m merely asking for educated responses to the replies I gave
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Clearly you are not able to do that. And that’s ok. I’ll let you continue in your warped sense of the world.

What reasons? I haven’t read a single one yet!

I don’t hate them. I do think they’re ridiculous with zero self awareness

The hate comes from a place of envy, jealousy and ignorance.

It's people who want to dispute the lived experience, when those who went through it speak out, because to acknowledge it, would mean facing up to the reality of what goes on in the RF/ the Firm.