Harry, Meghan and Netflix too

[CathyorClaire]

Last thread has filled up so I thought I'd create another to chat trailers and teasers while we hang about waiting for better more truth bombs to drop in the main event.

I'll kick off by answering this from the last thread:

from derxa

Hunting what?

I should have put 'shooting' but I've no idea what it was they were blasting away at. Might have been clay pigeons but given their thirst for blood sports it very well might not.

Im just here to wait and see what happens.

So far it's quite underwhelming.

Wonder if NF think they've got their money's worth at £14m an episode?

I think so#

Harry & Meghan‘ Logs Netflix’s Best-Ever Premiere Week for Documentaries
'Wednesday' also crosses the billion-hour mark in the streamer's internal viewing measurement.

www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/netflix-harry-meghan-premiere-week-ratings-1235281272/

Remember - in the distribution model that Netflix uses, the producers (H&M) only start to make money if it’s recommissioned for additional series as so many costs are front-loaded, so unless they can keep the viewing numbers high, will there be an appetite for more ‘royal revelations’ in future series

Netflix will have recouped its costs but the Sussex’s won’t have made a huge amount of money as it’s a cost+ model and documentary’s are cheap which is why Netflix loves them.

i can’t imagine a documentary like this costing more than 5-10m ? so the Sussex’s would get 2-3m and they have to pay Netflix for putting the documentary on their network, the sussex’s pay for advertising etc.

the reality is far different to 14m an episode 😀

so the Sussex’s would get 2-3m and they have to pay Netflix for putting the documentary on their network, the sussex’s pay for advertising etc.

So they're paying quite substantial costs and netting maybe 10% or 12% of the reported fee?

I can see why that might be tempting if you're a business ingenue 🙃

Those are pretty rubbish viewing numbers to be honest! There are successful documentary style YouTubers who get double or triple those views within 24hrs and produced on near-zero budget. SunnyV2 or Bald and Bankrupt just off the top of my head.

87m hours. So that's like 27m per episode. Is that good for a one off, much hyped, worldwide series? I guess it depends on the follow up views. In the UK it went from 2.4m to 0.8m by episode 3. That might mean they were bored and couldn't be bothered to watch anymore. Or they just want to watch an episode a day. It's impossible to judge.

Huh? I've just looked at SunnyV2's channel and the highest viewed I can see in the last 12 months is 14 million? And that's pretty much an anomaly, the majority of their videos are around 2-5 million views.

Yet another trailer released:

www.msn.com/en-gb/video/peopleandplaces/new-harry-and-meghan-trailer-released/vi-AA15hbqy?category=foryou

This time it's Meghan's turn to have been thrown under the bus.

This time it's Meghan's turn to have been thrown under the bus.

I thought she'd been fed to the wolves!!!

Netflix's business model is ultimately all about subscribers.

That's not to say viewing numbers are not important however.

The more interest a movie/series/documentary generates there is a knock on impact of people wanting to subscribe to view it, or retaining a subscription they they may otherwise have rescinded.

Irrespective of what people feel about H&M it's pointless to deny these programs have generated a lot of interest.

The unknown is what peoples perceptions are of H&M having watched it. I suspect people already polarised for/against won't have shifted their position, but for "neutrals" who knows?

The problem for H&M as I see it, is that the interest isn't in them per se for most people.

It's about their relationship with the RF - one which is now tenuous at best.

Once they have finished this series and read the book I'm not really sure what H&M have to offer that would generate a similar level of response and re-hashing the same grievances about a family you are no longer in contact with isn't sustainable from a PR perspective - not only will people lose interest, it's also not a great look not to be able to move on and risks marking you look both greedy and unhinged (Samantha Markle take note here....).

The other concern I have is the cost to H&M not only wrt their relationship with his family, but relationships more widely.

It's no secret they both have ambitions to move with the great and the good.

However there is already some evidence that not everyone is keen to be seen in their orbit and the people happy to participate in this documentary have hardly been high profile.

I do question how I would respond to a couple prepared to tell all for money (and H made clear in the OW interview that approaching "the streamers" was as a direct result of C refusing to continue to pay their working allies from the Duchy of Cornwall income) if I was a high profile individual.

Would I be issuing the invitations to dinner if I felt there was a risk that my status/public interest in my life might be used as the RF's has been to generate the next output for sale?

So when considering the success of this documentary, I think it's worth considering the cost which might be more substantial than some people appreciate.

It has been thin on new content. You know what that means: several more future series with a tiny, unexploded truth bomb dropped into each episode until everyone has become bored and stopped watching apart from the stans..

This is completly irelevent to NETFLIX model, they only make money if people subscribe and retain them, alot of people will have taken a trial of netflix to watch.

So you need to judge its sucsess on review scores are people going to keep subscribing to watch Sussex content and are they going to rewatch it.

From viewing figures most people failed to watch after the first episode, and the reviews are dire. So the retention and coninued intrest has peaked and is going down. Not a sustainable model for NETFLIX. So spin it any way you want with viewing figures on the first episode its a flas in the pan FLOP! 😂

I heartily agree @BreadInCaptivity . Why would anyone careful to guard privacy (eg the Clooneys) jeopardise that?

I suppose supporters might posit that once the Sussexes have “told their story” they can move on to more important matters eg politics, but it’s like once a cheater, always a cheater, and only a very, very trusting public but private figure would risk having their lives exposed in Harry & Meghan: What they saw in the Obamas’ House.

From viewing figures most people failed to watch after the first episode, and the reviews are dire

Of course they are! Have you seen the reviews on IMDB? I reckon a lot of MNers have been very busy!

Oh so the excuse is now then they only have bad reviews as they are being trolled, not that is total crap 😂

As there is a whole thread trolling regular posters, and accusing them of being paid, I'll say what I like.

"Remember that the only purpose of money is to get you what you want, so think hard about what you value and put it above money. How much would you sell a good relationship for? There’s not enough money in the world to get you to part with a valued relationship".

I wonder if Ray Dalio knows H & M?

I simply don’t understand the relentless fandom. It’s fine to say you like Meghan or Harry or both (do they have to come as a pair?!) but never, ever to think, “Oh, whoops, that went a bit far” or “that was rude” or “well, they said x last time so that’s inconsistent” makes posters sound like they’re besotted and have abandoned all critical thinking.

I mean, you can support eg Leeds till you die, but you can still groan at mistakes, get mad at the team and despair at a performance. The H&M supporters make it seem as if they are in a pop group’s fan club, ready to fight to the death for the love of Take That or whoever.

Your more than welcome to say what you like and were all allowed to roll our eyes too 🙄

I'm quite curious (nervous) about the next 3 episodes though. The trailer sounded particularly hostile. They explicitly point to William and literally intend to burn the remaining bridge connecting to any emotional tie with Harry's family. How much hate is in there?!

Are they going to throw out some deep secret (another scandal) to simply make themselves look like victim?

I simply don’t understand the relentless fandom

I don't understand the relentless hate.

I've posted on here today that they are flawed, they've made really stupid mistakes (like the OW interview that should never have happened) but you call it relentless fandom and I call the opposite view bullying.

Nobody ever takes note when those who don't dislike them intensely, say they got some things wrong. We just get called fans, stans and Take That fans

Poor William. The private family things he must have discussed with Harry over the years. Things Diana told him when she was leaning on him. How he felt about different individuals. None of it is now safe and private.

Harry doesn't have the intelligence to see while M has too much ego to accept: Not any celebrity in their right mind would dare to be close friends with them from all these dramas to dish out family matters to the entire world relentlessly across so many years. Just on and on, dirtier and dirtier.

They still complain they don't get invited to family events. Who dares to?