Harry, Meghan and Netflix too

[CathyorClaire]

Last thread has filled up so I thought I'd create another to chat trailers and teasers while we hang about waiting for better more truth bombs to drop in the main event.

Really? I thought it rather a good delineation. It’s one thing to be abandoned to ‘wolves’ in general (ie not protected) and another to be fed piece by piece at specific times to specific individual wolves. Quite a good analogy for the experience she’s describing, surely?

I wouldn't say "thrown" is a good word for "abandoned" though. If she'd said left to the wolves vs fed to the wolves, I think that would have been clearer.

But I agree with you it was obvious what she meant anyway.

Was it being driven by a wolf?

with their victim mentality, they are never going to be happy, are they?
always something to moan about, some perceived injustice - including nobody asking Meghan how she was, surrounded by people living in poverty. Poor little pet.

twisting facts in the most ridiculous way.

Anybody noticed that, despite all these years with the wonderful, supportive Meghan, and years of therapy, Harry is just as bitter as he ever was?

if the price is right, H&M will do or say anything. They can’t be trusted as far as you can throw them - whether that is to the wolves or not.

Forbes magazine reported that the prog was in the top spot only for that one day.

If correct, that's far from good for a new release.

The period of counting for 'best ever week' began with their new system rolled out only in October this year. So as this was the first major release since then, it would have meant something had gone appallingly wrong if that had not been the case!

And to last only one day in actual top spot in those circs might actually be a sign of under-performance

It’s one thing to be abandoned to ‘wolves’ in general (ie not protected) and another to be fed piece by piece at specific times to specific individual wolves. Quite a good analogy for the experience she’s describing, surely?

I would say “thrown to the wolves” is describing an act of abandonment

and

”fed to the wolves” refers to a slow, deliberate process.

The former being what H&M did when they left the RF in a flurry of petulance and the latter being what H&M are doing (and have been doing for years) with their poisonous drip feed of salacious tidbits with little regard for the truth.

Editing the Queen’s speech is pretty pathetic- it’s a famous speech, it’s not like it’s hard for it to be fact checked - makes them look stupid and exposes them as manipulative.

I don't understand either to be honest. A passing interest but people seem to get obsessed on both sides.

Some woman on GMB this morning was saying it's because he didn't marry a blonde aristocrat. I mean how ridiculous, his brother didn't marry a blonde aristocrat so why would Harry be expected to?

The thing that strikes me as the mother of grown up sons is that Harry needs to move on for his own sake. All this focus on misery and unhappiness isn't healthy. I hope he's got it out of his system now and can put it behind him.

Honestly I thought they wanted out of the public eye, to live like "normal" people?! But they've done Oprah and now a documentry Netflix series. If they had something big to share e.g. satanic rituals/sex abuse/cult then I'd understand their need to share. But nothings really happened has it? They felt imprisoned and the Palace were in charge of their passports/documents. Well they do receive death and ransom threats, so they have to be safe when they travel. That mocking curtesy Meghan performed for the Queen, was completely disrespectful. She has a problem with authority and hierarchy, she doesn't like being at the bottom of the royal family. I hope they have their titles removed.

And to last only one day in actual top spot in those circs might actually be a sign of under-performance

Of course . I expected no less on this thread!

Anyway, I'm diving in and watching the next three today if I get a chance. There is a lot that I have felt was very unjust as far as the media... the headlines (one shouldered dress, avocado, touching baby bump, hub kitchen/isis etc) that is going to be addressed. Good.

The thing about H&M is that they have some valid points to make about excessively mean and petty "hazing" type media coverage, a lot of which was genuinely over the top. But stupid fibbing, like deliberately editing the queen's speech, makes everything they have to say impossible to trust and negates any legitimate claims they are trying to make.

They are their own worst enemies. Perhaps they did not have much control over Netflix, but surely common sense should have told them that Netflix was likely to do this kind of dodgy stuff, to stir up hype and controversy.

The last 3 episodes are out today and go on about megxit Hopefully this time we have examples of all this press negativity which caused the exit? So much 'they', 'men' more 'they' and lots of vague accusations with no names mentioned. A good tactic to spread as much mud as possible without any substance. They can mention names, make claims and so on if it's true and not be sued.

According to radio 4, Harry specifically says that William's office briefed against Meghan. It was described as a "Gosh!" moment and the "marmalade-dropping" item that had been speculated about.
That's all I gathered - I was in and out of the bedroom while I was getting up.

Now moved on to discussing the ‘Sandringham Summit’…

”Recalling how it went, Harry said: "It was terrifying to have my brother scream and shout at me, and my father say things that just simply weren’t true, and my grandmother quietly sit there and sort of take it all in."

I find it hard to believe ANYONE ‘screams and shouts’ in front of the Queen. I can well believe voices were raised and tensions were high. But ‘scream and shout’? I think that is using emotive language that may not necessarily fit the facts. It may well be how Harry perceived it, but that doesn’t mean it was the reality.

I'm 6 minutes in to episode 4.

I started off the series feeling pretty ambivalent about H&M. I thought they had some valid grievances and "all the best to them". I now feel almost antagonistic towards them. I don't like the whinging (talk about being tone deaf!) and the vague "they" and "them" drives me up the wall.

Was there any mention of Meghan's first marriage or all the shenanigans with her father in the first three episodes?

And here we have it - THE GREAT LIE:

“In episode five, he speaks of a "wedge" driven between them following his decision to step down as a senior royal, and words appearing in his name which he said he hadn't agreed to.

He explains: "A story came out saying part of the reason Meghan and I were leaving was because William had bullied us out.

"Once I got in the car after the meeting [at Sandringham with other royals], I was told about a joint statement that had been put out in my name and my brother's name, squashing the story about him bullying us out of the family.

"I couldn't believe it. No one had asked me. No one had asked me permission to put out a statement like that."

He goes on to criticise the royal press machine, saying a line that was previewed in the trailers.

"Within four hours they were happy to lie to protect my brother and yet for three years they were never willing to tell the truth to protect us."

Watching the first new episode. The press headlines about the mosque, where Meghan helped, were absolutely horrendous, dangerous and outright racist.

This attention was attracted because she spent time there helping the Grenfell survivors ( which is seems she genuinely did and I wasn’t aware of the extent of this at time) but it seems she then brought this awful coverage about the women there just because the press were going after her.

It’s the first time I have really felt sympathy and I believe that absolutely would have affected her mental health.

I can well believe voices were raised and tensions were high. But ‘scream and shout’?

Maybe it proves they read MN?
Anyone disagreeing with a poster irl always "screams" and the poster always argues back in a reasonable way (and often with wit which most of us would only think of afterwards).

If he says "vitriol" or "vitriolic" I'll be trying to guess his MN nickname.

So it seems he DOES think William ‘bullied him out’??

That’s the lie? That the palace said William hadn’t bullied him out and Harry says he did??

I don’t see that as a lie - surely it’s more ‘recollections may vary’.

It’s easy to say ‘you’re bullying me!’ and play the victim - doesn’t mean it’s necessarily the truth though!

That’s the lie? That the palace said William hadn’t bullied him out and Harry says he did??

No, I think the lie is that it was a statement by both brothers when Harry hadn't had any input.

The lie was not the content, but the origin of the statement.

I interpret this ‘lie’ as they put something out there which he didn’t agree to (Contrary to them saying it was a joint statement) and therefore they lied as he hadn’t said either/or. Effectively they put words into his mouth, which is a lie.

I've just seen that they are complaining about living in Nottingham Cottage at Kensington Palace. Low ceilings, small and pokey apparently!! Not sure how much more tone deaf they can be!!! Imagine choosing to publicly grumble about that at this time!!! Even to think it privately is ungrateful but to publicly say this?!! 🤷‍♀️

Urgh the miscarriage thing. I can see why she was so stressed and they could very well view the media pressure as a trigger but I have a horrible feeling papers/media are going to twist it as ‘moving stress’ as she had the miscarriage the first day in their new house.

I honestly wish I could stop themselves digging a hole for themselves. They make it too easy for the media/haters sometimes 😔Poor woman to go through that though and she is very brave for sharing it with us.

its abundantly clear Harry is livid about being bundled out of the “racist”family -
he would be happy staying if he got what he wanted
he blames William in the main and this now has escalated into a weapons grade family estrangement
Harry will not be ignored
I 100 percent thinks he wants it all back with bells on

the royal family are best to neutralise him with concern and love for his mental wellbeing as he is clearly having the mother of all tantrums

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