Page 5 | Harry, Meghan and Netflix too

CathyorClaire · 2022-12-13T20:06:07+00:00

Last thread has filled up so I thought I'd create another to chat trailers and teasers while we hang about waiting for --better-- more truth bombs to drop in the main event.

SnowlayRoundabout · 15/12/2022 09:42

Rinoachicken · 15/12/2022 09:30

And here we have it - THE GREAT LIE:

“In episode five, he speaks of a "wedge" driven between them following his decision to step down as a senior royal, and words appearing in his name which he said he hadn't agreed to.

He explains: "A story came out saying part of the reason Meghan and I were leaving was because William had bullied us out.

"Once I got in the car after the meeting [at Sandringham with other royals], I was told about a joint statement that had been put out in my name and my brother's name, squashing the story about him bullying us out of the family.

"I couldn't believe it. No one had asked me. No one had asked me permission to put out a statement like that."

He goes on to criticise the royal press machine, saying a line that was previewed in the trailers.

"Within four hours they were happy to lie to protect my brother and yet for three years they were never willing to tell the truth to protect us."

Hmmm. So is he saying that he wouldn't have signed it because William did bully him out? He doesn't seem to want to say that, and indeed at the time he didn't contradict the statement. So is this in fact just H&M realising belatedly that the statement doesn't fit the "poor us" narrative and trying to find a way to say they didn't really mean it?

LisaJool · 15/12/2022 09:42

I'm one of the mugs ones who subscribed to NF to watch this. I'm not terribly aware of the goings on of the RF, but was hoping for some tea insight. I fell asleep midway through E1, felt obliged to persevere through E2, but cba to go further than that.
What really struck me was how woefully underprepared Megan was for the life of the RF. As a divorced actress the cards were already against her, but Harry seemed to do nothing to help her along. As much as the younger generation want to portray the image of "we're just a normal family" the reality is that they are an archaic institution and with that comes rules and etiquettes. Having Wills and family over for the first time and M in ripped jeans and bare feet is just mind boggling. Harry has really let her down and instead he's turning the victim narrative.

Prescottdanni123 · 15/12/2022 09:42

I did laugh at Harry's comment about William and Kate being angry because they were stealing the limelight and that Harry was better at doing the job that William was born to do. Yeah right. There's the proof that the little brat is jealous that he wasn't born first.

SnottyLottie · 15/12/2022 09:42

They put in a clip of Piers Morgan praising them as rock stars 😆 he’s going to be so mad 🥳

SnowlayRoundabout · 15/12/2022 09:46

Rinoachicken · 15/12/2022 09:22

Now moved on to discussing the ‘Sandringham Summit’…

”Recalling how it went, Harry said: "It was terrifying to have my brother scream and shout at me, and my father say things that just simply weren’t true, and my grandmother quietly sit there and sort of take it all in."

I'm always sceptical of claims of people screaming. It actually takes quite a lot of effort to scream - you have to take in a big breath and pitch your voice uncomfortably high: it's not something you do just because you're angry. The only time I have screamed in recent memory was when DH came within inches of hitting another car, and even then it came out as more of a high-pitched yelp.

SnottyLottie · 15/12/2022 09:46

I’m keeping updated by the BBC live summary.

Honestly, love their snark about how small and cramped Nottigham Cottage is 😆

Rinoachicken · 15/12/2022 09:46

SnottyLottie · 15/12/2022 09:35

I interpret this ‘lie’ as they put something out there which he didn’t agree to (Contrary to them saying it was a joint statement) and therefore they lied as he hadn’t said either/or. Effectively they put words into his mouth, which is a lie.

I agree it’s poor practice to not let him see the statement before it went out, but surely it’s only a lie if he doesn’t agree with the sentiment?

So if he agreed that William had not bullied him out - yes it’s poor of the palace for him to not have had sight in advance, but the statement itself would not be untrue.

But he is saying it’s a lie - so he thinks William DID bully him out?

Perhaps he means that the lie was that the statement came from him when it didn’t - which I agree is not good - but he’s not been very clear about whether his issues was only with that aspect, or whether he is taking issue with the sentiment of the message as well.

It would have been helpful for him to clarify which bit was he referring to - that the message was correct, but he didn’t say it, or the the message is not true and he didn’t say it.

Rhondaa · 15/12/2022 09:46

Any evidence, any accountability or self awareness? Or is all just waah waaah waaah.

Bombshells my arse and I cannot believe a lawyer would feature on a show that from what ive seen on daytime telly has yet to present any evidence other than the Sussexes fave - he said/she said/ it's all THEIR FAULT!!

EdithWeston · 15/12/2022 09:47

Roussette · 15/12/2022 09:12

And to last only one day in actual top spot in those circs might actually be a sign of under-performance

Of course . I expected no less on this thread!

Anyway, I'm diving in and watching the next three today if I get a chance. There is a lot that I have felt was very unjust as far as the media... the headlines (one shouldered dress, avocado, touching baby bump, hub kitchen/isis etc) that is going to be addressed. Good.

Well as you'd already seen the same response to your same post on an earlier thread, of course you would be expecting it!

Factual corrections - such as changes to NF counting systems will always be made. It is misleading otherwise, as the reader might wrongly infer a substantially longer period of time, and other major releases.

Netflix rolled out a new counting system in October, so 'best ever' actually means 'best in last 8 weeks'. I'm not sure there were any other major new releases in that period, so when the field of competition is one, then of course that one is the winner.

That they were top spot for only one day is a pretty weak performance, if you apply the same standards to this as one would to all others

Peasepuddingbloodycold · 15/12/2022 09:47

What really struck me was how woefully underprepared Megan was for the life of the RF.

I don't buy it. I think she wanted to change it / rescue it. I think she wanted to go in on her terms. The protocol must have been stifling for a young, successful, Hollywood American who believes in her own publicity. She's obviously very confident in her own abilities and it must have come as a shock to realise that the Establishment is the way it is because it wants to be that way.

SnowlayRoundabout · 15/12/2022 09:49

Prescottdanni123 · 15/12/2022 09:42

I did laugh at Harry's comment about William and Kate being angry because they were stealing the limelight and that Harry was better at doing the job that William was born to do. Yeah right. There's the proof that the little brat is jealous that he wasn't born first.

I suppose that's why he called his book "Spare" when he stopped being the spare well over 9 years ago.

There is no way Harry is better at the job, he's not bright enough and he's too self-pitying. If he had been the older child I suspect he would end up as another Edward VIII, who would also have made a lousy king.

Rhondaa · 15/12/2022 09:50

'I don't buy it. I think she wanted to change it / rescue it. I think she wanted to go in on her terms'

Absolutely, the pair of the wanted do do their own thing and they weren't allowed. That's where all their bile and vitriol stems.

thebellagio · 15/12/2022 09:51

Prescottdanni123 · 15/12/2022 09:42

I did laugh at Harry's comment about William and Kate being angry because they were stealing the limelight and that Harry was better at doing the job that William was born to do. Yeah right. There's the proof that the little brat is jealous that he wasn't born first.

I admit I haven't watched any of it - I'm keeping up to date via this thread/the snarky BBC commentary

Did he really say this? yikes!

Rinoachicken · 15/12/2022 09:51

Prescottdanni123 · 15/12/2022 09:42

I did laugh at Harry's comment about William and Kate being angry because they were stealing the limelight and that Harry was better at doing the job that William was born to do. Yeah right. There's the proof that the little brat is jealous that he wasn't born first.

Yes it is mind boggling self-entitled and arrogant. ‘We’d be a better PoW/King/Queen thy at you’

What, did he expect them to say ‘oh you’re SO much better at this, let us step aside for you so we can all appreciate and bask in your greatness!’

BreadInCaptivity · 15/12/2022 09:52

Rinoachicken · 15/12/2022 09:25

I find it hard to believe ANYONE ‘screams and shouts’ in front of the Queen. I can well believe voices were raised and tensions were high. But ‘scream and shout’? I think that is using emotive language that may not necessarily fit the facts. It may well be how Harry perceived it, but that doesn’t mean it was the reality.

What's interesting is that he doesn't elaborate what W was cross about.

The inference is Megxit, but I'd think it's plausible that what W was angry about was the fact he had dropped their half in/out statement to the press without any notice to anyone in the RF causing utter chaos.

Add to the fact that their demands were plainly not going to fly.

That doesn't mean anyone was against them leaving the RF and forging a new path - just that H&M pissed them off by how they did it.

And before anyone says that's speculation, yes it is - but that's the problem with some of the content. It insinuates much but if you consider what's actually said it's very thin in detail which inevitably leads to more questions and speculation.

Peasepuddingbloodycold · 15/12/2022 09:53

Any evidence, any accountability or self awareness? Or is all just waah waaah waaah.

The latter so far. I just think it's all such a shame. They are a healthy, wealthy couple with lovely children and access to resources and opportunities most of us can only dream of. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of success.

Mumsnut · 15/12/2022 09:53

Didn’t W & K live in Nottingham Cottage for a while? Before they had a family?

Mumsnut · 15/12/2022 09:55

And does ‘bullied out’ actually translate as ‘Would not agree to our half in half our plan so we had to leave’?

CharityShopChic · 15/12/2022 09:55

Well I think that’s ended any hopes of a reconciliation between brothers, hasn’t it?

coronation going to be interesting.

SnowlayRoundabout · 15/12/2022 09:55

Here's the slum that is Nottingham Cottage: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/20/nottingham-cottage-kensington-home-meghan-harry-will-live-married/

How they must have suffered.

LisaJool · 15/12/2022 09:56

I also laughed at the bit Harry said about when M met the RF for the first time that they were so impressed, and some of them didn't know what to do with themselves. Yeah right Hazza!
I agree that the pair of them thought they were going to shake things up, and got a shock when everyone else didn't bow down to them.

WinnieTheW0rm · 15/12/2022 09:57

Mumsnut · 15/12/2022 09:53

Didn’t W & K live in Nottingham Cottage for a while? Before they had a family?

yes

Nishky32 · 15/12/2022 09:58

Nice to hear that she okayed ‘going to the chapel’ on the morning of her wedding- my friends and I got married fairly close together and it was a standing joke that we all played it as we got dressed- am I focusing on the wrong thing in all of this? 😬

Rinoachicken · 15/12/2022 09:59

LisaJool · 15/12/2022 09:56

I also laughed at the bit Harry said about when M met the RF for the first time that they were so impressed, and some of them didn't know what to do with themselves. Yeah right Hazza!
I agree that the pair of them thought they were going to shake things up, and got a shock when everyone else didn't bow down to them.

I take from this that they were indeed speechless - just not for the reasons H thinks!

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 15/12/2022 09:59

Peasepuddingbloodycold · 15/12/2022 09:53

Any evidence, any accountability or self awareness? Or is all just waah waaah waaah.

The latter so far. I just think it's all such a shame. They are a healthy, wealthy couple with lovely children and access to resources and opportunities most of us can only dream of. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of success.

This. I was so excited for their wedding and can't believe how the situation has devolved. They're so foolish and obtuse.