Harry, Meghan and Netflix too

[CathyorClaire]

Last thread has filled up so I thought I'd create another to chat trailers and teasers while we hang about waiting for better more truth bombs to drop in the main event.

Thanks @superdupernova
Echoes some of my own concerns about the implications of their behaviour.
Sadly the nuance of that analysis is probably well over their supporter's heads.

Many thanks for that Vanity Fair link, Ticketyboots; it was well written and balanced so made a good read
Apparently well sourced too, though as ever we can't know who many of the sources were

That’s a very interesting article. I would also like to point that M was so keen on
the CW, she had flowers of CW countries embroidered on her veil.

It would be interesting, as the Russians have definitely sown discord in the US and U.K. and like Trump the Sussex’s seem rather fond of money and easily swayed by flattery.

Harry asked for half in half out and the royal family said no. What did the UK expect? Why the article? I thought the haters didn't see value in harry and Meghan. Let's all see how this plays out.

The whole 'impact of empire' thing is interesting, and not so straightforward.

I was definitely on Team Not-Empire, before I lived in South Africa for over a decade. I did a history & sociology degree with Unisa (their equivalent of Open University) and as I worked in the non-profit sector my colleagues were overwhelmingly black South Africans and refugess from Sub-Saharan Africa.

What I came across time and again, in my studies and from my colleagues, was the perspective that the British Empire was better than some of the alternatives at the time.

I am not saying that the British Empire was not exploitative - it was. The Boers, and the Belgian empire - to use the examples I studied - were far, far worse.

Or that racism does not exist - DD has been racially abused on the bus on her way to school here in London. But on the other hand, her school here in London is more racially diverse than her school in SA. She experiences less racism her as part of a minority than she did in SA as part of the majority, and her birth heritage is valued here in a way it never was in SA. The racist abuse she experienced on the bus on the way to school was treated as a hate crime by the school and the police here, but would have been shrugged off and refused to accept a report by the police in SA, it would not have registered as an incident.

Who, what and where are the “haters” and what have they got to do with this insightful piece on geopolitics?

Why the dumb downed binary polarisation of discussion and debate - are the layers, depths, contradictions and complexity too much of a challenge?

Are therefore only 6 episodes?

I thought more was Coming??

Yes I think it was very extensive and thorough and as the time of research and writing was 4-5 years ago it seems that it may be much much closer to any sense “truth” or accuracy since the explosion of commentary since H&M left, the OW interview, the various books, podcasts and NF series - shows how some narratives have evolved and others not over this period. Well worth checking back for consistencies

www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/12/inside-the-meghan-markle-family-breakdown-thomas-samantha-markle

I have also experienced the American-imperialism narrative when trying to navigate the issue of DD and her hair (DD is African and I am her adoptive mother). The trans-racial adoptive forums were (at that point , a decade a year ago) in the USA. They insisted on a USA-based narrative that defined what was 'appropriate' for natural hair, yet also told trans-racial adopters to defer to the parents of colour around them to see what was culturally appropriate for African hair.

So I was in the situation of being told by friends and neighbours to chemically straighten DD's hair, and also by the on-line experts to not straighten her hair yet also listen to the local experts telling me to straighten her hair. And when I questioned the topic of who to listen to was accused of 'push back' because I am white, when I asked about the discrepancy

Happily we are now in the UK, where there is less conformity to a particular standard, and DD goes to a hair salon owned by women from the African diaspora who meet the choices of girls and women from a range of heritages

I don't think this is the case. She has always spoken proudly of him up until his behaviour before the wedding and he of her also. He said Meghan had involved him in all the wedding plans even down to his outfit. There is a YouTube clip of this interview and he speaks very highly of her. Your description seems more what you see of Thomas Markle rather than who she sees as her daddy.

No because I have made comments before olin line with the common wealth and people thought Harry and Meghan were nobodies outside of the royal family.

Your description seems more what you see of Thomas Markle rather than who she sees as her daddy.

She never bothered to introduce him to her fiancé before the wedding, she refused offers from palace staff to help or have him flown to Britain ahead of the wedding and she has since ghosted him altogether. I think that tells us all we need to know about her feelings for her ‘daddy’.

Why the dumb downed binary polarisation of discussion and debate - are the layers, depths, contradictions and complexity too much of a challenge?

Yes.

She and Harry contacted him 20 times. She offered to send the same security people he had met before to help him. He ghosted her. The texts are shown in court papers.
So your post is incorrect.

Here is one... ^Ive been reaching out to you all weekend but you're not taking any of our calls or replying to any texts.
"Very concerned about your health and safety and have taken every measure to protect you but not sure what more we can do if you don't respond.
"Do you need help? Can we send the security team down again? I'm very sorry to hear you're in the hospital but need you to please get in touch with us ... What hospital are you at?"^

Followed by another one 10 minutes later. ^"Harry and I made a decision earlier today and are dispatching the same security guys you turned away this weekend to be a presence on the ground to make sure you're safe ... they will be there at your disposal as soon as you need them.
"Please, please call as soon as you can.. all of this is incredibly concerning but your health is most important."^
There then followed more texts with M&H trying to offer what was best for him. Again, all this is in court papers.

Just needed to correct your post as we all prefer to know what is fact and what isn't.

So texts, phone calls and security guards a sufficient protection?

They always had that level of protection themselves when in the RF.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean if it is in reply to my post.

@Roussette

The fact that some texts were apparently sent (at a point when it was probably too late for him to attend the wedding anyway) really doesn't refute anything I've said.

The way Thomas Markle was treated in the lead-up to the wedding was very odd. Why wasn't he flown to the UK 2-3 weeks beforehand to acclimatize himself and prepare? Why did Harry never travel to meet him after they became engaged? Why did she have just one relative (her mother) at such an enormous wedding?

These are the sorts of questions the media started asking at the time, and yes, this probably the point at which M's public image started to unravel-because people were starting to see that things about Meghan didn't add up. As the lies, contradictions and misdirections have continued, that sense has never gone away.

Kate Middleton was put under the same spotlight when she married (inevitably) and the media uncovered embarrassing Uncle Garry. Instead of snubbing him, Kate invited him to the wedding. But Meghan snubbed her uncles (even the one that got her the brief internship in South America that looms as large in her anecdotal cannon as the Procter and Gamble dishwashing story).

Tie yourself in knots all you like, people see straight through it

The fact that some texts were apparently sent (at a point when it was probably too late for him to attend the wedding anyway) really doesn't refute anything I've said.

It refutes everything you said. As posters will see from just two of my texts I quoted from court papers.
You have no idea why he didn't come over beforehand, perhaps he refused? Perhaps they tried and he didn't answer them. Perhaps it was because it would stop him hiring someone to take pics of him reading an English country magazine in a coffee shop so he could sell the pictures to the DM (which he did) and which they begged him to stop doing.

Tie yourself in knots to criticise them endlessly. We see it.

The fact that some texts were apparently sent (at a point when it was probably too late for him to attend the wedding anyway) really doesn't refute anything I've said

It was 5 days before.

Sounds that he was going through an emotional issue in those few days / weeks.

He seems to be a man who grafted his entire life and devoted so much of his time and hard earned money to his children especially Meghan for decades.

He had retired to a simple quiet life in Mexico and then seemingly was being thrust on to the world stage for a performance which was overwhelming for him and left him in a crisis of confidence.

To cut this doting and devoted dad from her life because he was afraid for those few weeks is abominable and cold hearted. But that is a pattern for MM to cut people from her life.

There is no evidence of nasty texts back to her and you could also read the way her texts as being overly explanatory and written in a way that they looked good if read by others.

This is what she wrote about him in The Tig - she dedicated a very public post to him on father day.

“our club sandwich and fruit smoothie tradition post my tap & ballet class—classes, which by the way, he religiously took me to on Saturday mornings after working 75+ hours a week as a lighting director.” He put “gas in my car when I went from audition to audition trying to make it as an actress,” she wrote, and “believed in this grand dream of mine well before I could even see it as a possibility.” She lauded “the blood, sweat and tears this man (who came from so little in a small town in Pennsylvania, where Christmas stockings were filled with oranges, and dinners were potatoes and Spam) invested in my future so that I could grow up and have so much.”

Even after her cutting him out he was devoted and loving saying “my daughter has been a princess since the day she was born.” and that he would be heartbroken if she never spoke to him again.

Its a shame she doesn’t have his tenderness, compassion and seems unable to forgive the crisis of confidence of an old, tired, unwell man. Her bitterness seems to sustain years and years later.

Even the 2018 Vanity Fair piece talks about her stalling everything around this with “the firm” unable to take action as she dragged her feet.

I feel sorry for the guy - he comes across as gentle, lost and desperately sad.

It was 5 days before

Oh, so only two days before the 'real' wedding in their garden, then?

He certainly would never have made it to that.

The palace had been encouraging her to fly him out beforehand and she refused. They had encouraged her to invite more relatives because they knew the media/public would find it odd but she refused.

It's quite clear she never wanted him or any of her family there - just a cluster of celebrities she didn't know.

And when people inevitably started discussing how odd the whole thing was, she implied she was being mistreated, or that the RF was leaking the details to cover up something or another.

The lack of self-awareness is almost funny. The RF didn't leak anything - there was an audience of millions, everyone could see who was invited and who wasn't

So selling himself to the highest bidder and hiring a cameraman to do that means nothing? Just before the wedding?

I think he was a fish out of water, I agree with that but to say every text they sent was to look good if ever others read it is a horrible thing to say. They didn't know the court would demand them.

I give up. You're entrenched in your dislike of M&H, there is no point discussing it. Thomas is a saint and Meghan is spawn of the devil, I get it.

OK susan I get it. However, all you type is just your opinion. We are polar opposites, I will leave you to your clutching at straws to paint Meghan in a bad light. Good luck!

I need to stick my hand up a turkeys arse, much more satisfying.

So selling himself to the highest bidder and hiring a cameraman to do that means nothing? Just before the wedding?

I really don't think H&M have any ground to stand on complaining about that!

And anyway, the Vanity fair article linked above explains clearly how the photos came about, and you are willfully misrepresenting the situation