Harry, Meghan and Netflix too

[CathyorClaire]

Last thread has filled up so I thought I'd create another to chat trailers and teasers while we hang about waiting for better more truth bombs to drop in the main event.

Good job that you haven't seen rotten tomatoes reviews. Even the critics Don't like it (and they generally love anything)

Coming from overseas, Netflix has the M&H show as THE one they are promoting the most and it’s at the top of everything on their lists you can’t miss it. Clearly NF paid a lot to f money for it so they want people to watch it. But is it in the TOP 10 being watched or most watched section they have? NO. It’s not. Oops their bad. Oh well.

Does anyone know how ordinary American people see them?

I know there are people don't like them. But the polls seemed to have favoured them each time when they spoke out. (Based on my limited access to the American polls : Google kept pushing UK views as search results).

The American generally have valued free speech a lot so they see their outspoken style as a model, is that right?

Looking back, I think if they had just done their OW interview the one that many people didn’t like and if they had just moved on and done some outwardly good work for charities and worked hard for movement in women’s rights or whatever they want to do, and I think if showed their family life more - that’s social media these days - I think they could have built a popular and profitable life for themselves. However they have wanted to move this anti-royal family story forward and i think they have lost a lot of fans or followers whatever. The fans and followers help bring in the interest and money, which is what they want. Now their broken royal family relationships have almost ended that connection and the one thing that gave them notoriety. I guess they are hoping for a different future and one which they get to build and maybe they just want the world to pull down and relieve the UK of the royal family and that’s what they want to be known for. Time will tell if that happens.

Well said, I can’t get my head around it either, it’s utterly bizarre!

Yes American culture is built on let me do what I want and don’t tell me what to do. That’s in the amendments I don’t think they quite see it like that but it is, and sitting under a monarchy or following governments like the UK do and having social care etc they don’t like.
How are they reacting to M and H I haven’t heard much. I’m not in America but next door and no one is talking about it here. Even when M&H lived here when they first left the UK no one knew about it or cared. I don’t know if that helps a little. Maybe someone else can shed some light on this.

Agree. His most private thoughts and feelings will be divulged if it suits Harry.

Looking back, I think if they had just done their OW interview the one that many people didn’t like and if they had just moved on and done some outwardly good work for charities and worked hard for movement in women’s rights or whatever they want to do, and I think if showed their family life more - that’s social media these days - I think they could have built a popular and profitable life for themselves. However they have wanted to move this anti-royal family story forward and i think they have lost a lot of fans or followers whatever. The fans and followers help bring in the interest and money, which is what they want. Now their broken royal family relationships have almost ended that connection and the one thing that gave them notoriety. I guess they are hoping for a different future and one which they get to build and maybe they just want the world to pull down and relieve the UK of the royal family and that’s what they want to be known for. Time will tell if that happens.

I think it's actually pretty simple. The motivation is money.

When they announced stepping down as senior royals with their half in/half out model they were hardly in a position of wanting to tear down an institution they would have still been part of.

This is the part where I think H&M have not thought things through.

If the RF was so bloody awful why was their first reaction not to leave it? Why do they still use their titles and profess offence at their children not being Prince/Princess?

They didn't like being told "no" you can't have it both ways and since then they seemingly feel vindicated in firing both barrels as often as possible when they believe there is income to be gained from it.

They have made their choices - as they are free to do, but frankly I feel they are both prone to lacking reckless decisions for short term benefit without considering the longer term consequences.

I don't blame them for wanting a different life from the one they had, but I also believe they could have achieved far better outcomes for themselves if they had gone about this differently.

American here (living in UK though for 20+ years). No one I know is that interested. I’m Californian. My family lives about 20-30 minutes from Santa Barbara and from what I can gather, nobody in my own circle back home is very interested in them. There’s no hate… they’re just simply not that interested in H and M. Most people have other shit to worry about, is how it seems. They’re a bit of a non-entity. But that’s just my small California crew’s take. I certainly can’t speak for Americans in general.

Well said and summarised it all.

I think @BreadInCaptivity sums it up perfectly. The great and the good in the US will be aware of the disconnect as well (although there are obviously a lot of fans in the US). Its clearly a rewriting of history to make it a 'high moral ground' drama, rather than stomping off as the Queen didn't agree to their plan.

How they expect to have any relationship left with the RF after this is beyond me.

The American generally have valued free speech a lot so they see their outspoken style as a model, is that right?

Nah. I’m pretty sure most of us Americans think, “Give it a rest!”. No one enjoys privileged and relentless whining from an ivory tower. That’s not to deny the reality of M’s experiences of racism or H’s traumatic experiences around the loss of his mum, but I’d love to see them DO and MAKE change; make changes to people’s lives in a proactive way without the whining/gossip/drama/victimisation…
without going all Faustian in their quest for ‘freedom’.

@Ohlife2020 'coloured young people' wtf

It seems that they’re intent on sticking the knife in and turning it. I hope they get their comeuppance pdq.
According to the Telegraph they’ve even rehashed the speech the Queen made on succession to the throne to mean something totally different. Do they really have no idea a) what they sound like and b) what irreversible damage their doing to their family?
And all for filthy lucre.
Hideous behaviour.

www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/12/14/queen-elizabeth-iis-famous-speech-edited-harry-meghan-documentary

😂😂😂 You are a wit. 😁 But I like your style.

I think there quite a few positive reviews.

As part of my job I meet many US visitors to the UK. Almost all seem to have negative views of H&M, largely because of their treatment of the Queen. I haven't spoken to any since the Netflix show though.

Not quite sure what exactly an ordinary American is to be honest. We aren't much of a classist society, everyone here seems to put thier pants on the same way, one leg at a time. We also applaud people who push to make themselves successful and don't care if they are "overreaching"

I am an American, but I can't speak for everyone. For the most part though, people dont give a shit because they aren't our Royal family. We literally threw crap in a river in protest and fought a war over it.

There are some royal fans who look favorably. There are people who don't like them. It just is not to the degree that I have experienced from UK based people. But at the end of the day, they are of no importance to us. They are just another celeb couple trying to make some money.

I don't get the relentless hate OR the relentless fandom. I find them figures of fun if anything, amusing to take the piss out of, but don't actually want anything BAD to happen to them.

Same.

I thought she'd been fed to the wolves!!!

I just can't keep up with the calamity...

I got confused and told my DH she'd been eaten by the wolves. He looked at me as if I'd gone mad!

I have American friends who just can't be bothered with these two - but I am guessing Netflix thought it would earn a great deal for them not just H&M so if it gets NF top ratings that will count for them (NF) & I suspect it will.

What I am not so sure about is what will their next project be or are these 2 documentaries enough for $88m or whatever.

I don't like the trite comments about the commonwealth & the untruths

But if that is what it takes for them to earn enough money - so be it. A little unkind though I think to Harry's family. If this were two Hollywood families I'd be building a bunker in Montecito if I were H&M - but they know that will never happen so they can get away with all they like.

I did not think I would say this but I now feel a bit sorry for Charles.

Unfortunately, I think Harry is the RF's own doing. Spoiling him for decades for whatever reasons. Never reined or helped him see his proper value. In that sense, I do sympathise him.

But honestly, pouring dirty water to your own blood in front the whole world again and again, knowing there were lies involved, I just think as an adult, he needs to carry the consequence regardless what fault others had to raise him up.

Will never grow up. Always someone else did something to him.