Harry and Meghan -- Why I dislike them BOTH

[PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog]

I keep seeing threads that say everyone who dislikes the Sussexs is based on some form of racism and I wanted to put my view across. I will set the parameters of my points:

1. Meghan absolutely did receive racist coverage from sections of the British media.

1. I believe that there were threats to their safety by far right loons.
2. I believe they were both unhappy as working members of the RF

However...

I still find them both very disingenuous. They highlight and speak up against the racism of others, whilst failing to address Harry's previous and documented racist behaviour. As a Jew I cannot understand how Meghan can just remain silent about her husbands former mistakes. This makes her seem untrustworthy to me and seems like she will put up with anything for money and cache, whilst arguing (rightly) that racism is totally unacceptable. He keeps saying others need to learn and he is right, but he should acknowledge that he too needed to learn, acknowledge the support needed to help others learn and offer that support to others (including his own family, if needed).

Their attitude towards the public also seems 'off' and ungrateful to me and they seem to collocate the press and the public as the same thing. There is a lot of footage of the public support for them before, during and after their wedding. Yet, apparently, they did not want the big public wedding and the 'UK' was racist towards them. Harry particularly understands the 'deal' between the monarchy and the public and ought to have explained this to Meghan, the comments re the wedding on Oprah came across as quite spiteful and tone deaf. Almost like, 'we suffered through the big wedding for the plebs.' Ditto all the strange behaviour around Archie's birth. They could have followed the Tindall's approach if they wanted to avoid press intrusion.

During financial pressures around the world they are still complaining and not acknowledging their wealth and privilege, whilst claiming to give voice to the needs of those living in poverty and suffering. The Africa interview was a prime example for both of them. It just all comes together to make them feel untrustworthy to me, and makes me dislike them. I do not wish them any ill, but I wish they would acknowledge their fortune and live private, useful lives.

They're a couple of self absorbed t*** tbh

I completely agree Op and I put the blame firmly at Harry's door. He didn't prepare her properly for joining the royal family and seems like he also didn't support her when she needed help for her mental health. It's all on him, no one else and yet he doesn't seem to acknowledge his part in it at all.

I also hate how they do not practise what they preach (private jets anyone?!)

It seems to me like they're single handed my trying to destroy the royal family - a kind of 'if we can't have it no one else can' mentality.

Regardless of your personal stance on the RF, it's for the nation to decide whether they want a republic or not, not for these 2 to try to destroy it.

They were happy in the royal family until they were told they couldn’t monetise it. Then they were desperately unhappy.
So they are lying. If the queen had let them make money there would have been no need to ‘protect my family’.

Meghan is a tv actress, I don’t need her to be held up as some kind of ‘expert’ on anything. I know she had a good education etc but she married someone as dumb as Harry, so frankly she must be dumb.

Megan was a breath of fresh air for the RF ..or so I thought but her behaviour towards the RF and her own family has been awful 😞..feel embarrassed for her TBH !

Just curious, what good would it do for Megan to go on record condemning something Harry did when he was a teenager and has already apologised for? How would that even work? Would she make an instagram post or what?

She'd be ripped to shreds and accused of attention seeking and throwing Harry under the bus.

The woman can't win no matter what she does.

I wish there were half as many posts criticising Prince Andrew for partying with pedophiles as there are of Megan and Harry for saying they don't like racism.

Completely agree with everything that's been said so far on this thread. I'm sick of being branded a racist because I don't like someone. Maybe she received negative racist comments from some media outlets but I genuinely believe that the British public didn't care because they were happy to see Harry finally meet someone and settle down. The crowds on their wedding day didn't look like people who hated her, they could have had it all but their whinging was their downfall and there's only so many times we can hear their "truth". I don't believe for one minute she didn't know in the day and age of the internet what she was getting into either, it's comments like that the public find hard to believe.

They should both acknowledge it, because they have thrown mud at the whole family for racist behaviour, when Harry himself has been documented being racist. He acts like he is perfect and the rest of his family are callous and ignorant, when he himself could previously been called the same. He reminds me of someone who finds or reconnects with religion and forgets that they ever did anything wrong, whilst condemning those close to them for the same behaviour.

I don't have a strong view on Meghan except that she looks like an actual Disney princess and doesn't seem too troublesome compared with Diana, obviously Andrew and maybe even Phillip considering some of his comments. I think the press dramatise it all.

I'll always feel for Harry because his mum married into the RF far too young and was literally chased to death and photographed dead on the back seat of her car. 12 is a particularly horrible age to lose a parent and I can't begin to imagine how painful that was. Harry is my age and I remember crying when I saw him walk behind his mum's coffin with his grief for everyone to see. Its fair to see we'd all feel conflicted about the monarchy after all that too.

@ReallyDarling do you give William the same benefit of sympathy? She was his mum too.

@Nolosomi why are you so invested to come on to the RF topic then? Is there nothing else in your life?

It does seem a bit hypocritical of Harry calling his family racists after his own behaviour. Yes he was young but no excuse really, for someone in the public eye.
It's a shame the way things have gone, I believe there would be far more respect for H&M if they just quietly kept their heads down and led a quiet life doing charitable work etc, instead of constantly slating the Royal Family, who can't really speak up and tell "their truth" they just have to grin and bear it

Agree, it is quite shocking how much money they have made from netflix, Spotify, archetypes, the cut magazine, Spare.... their story again and again and again.

I had to chuckle at Meghan in the one minute trailer saying "when the stakes are high dont you want to hear our story from us?". No. I'd love to hear it from Charles and camilla. That id love.

And "the stakes are high" are they,? 🤔
What are the stakes? World peace? Her own reputation??

I do feel for William too - though he seems more of the stiff upper lip aristocratic type while Harry seems more passionate and emotional in temperament like his late mum. Or at least more outspoken.

I'm sure I'd be deeply wary of the paparazzi and paparazzi-consuming general public after what happened to his mum too.

Do agree they're out of touch but I'd guess that all British royalty are really.

No, not at all invested are you? Don't feel sorry for me, I don't need your pity. It's a shame you can't ignore threads that clearly distress you so much. Take care x

Andrew is not generating news atm
I dont know if you're aware but h&m generate a lot of news. The release of a new book/series/podcast/article/presence at awards ceremony....

I can't get my head round the Netflix partnership at all from Harry's end. They aired the extremely disrespectful 'Diana the Musical' which included the James Hewitt rumours and are recreating the most traumatic time in his and his brother's lives for entertainment. His brother also put out a statement re his feelings about the Panorama interview, yet that is being recreated too.

I cannot believe the money Netflix is paying them will be worth it. They’ll spend it, then what?

Handouts from King Charles, if they are lucky.

It’s so sad. Harry could have had a life of fun and service. Meghan could have married a rich TV executive who got her good invites to parties. That would have been better.

Harry was 19, it was almost two decades ago and he has apologised.

People change in two decades.

They are critical of the RF for being racist now, including towards their children. The RF have not apologised.

I don't see much equivalence between the two.

Is he supposed to bring up something stupid he did 20 years ago every time he's interviewed?

That said, the whole institution is based on the idea that someone's blood line makes them superior to others, so racism is BAU. If they weren't racist they would return all the stuff they stole and apologise for the horrors of colonialism.

Harry was only 12 when his mother died, whereas William was a little older and consequently could process the loss better. Losing a parent in those circumstances was horrendous for them. What has transpired since then, that Diana was manipulated and lied to by Martin Bashir who fraudulently produced documents to evidence this, is particularly horrible. His actions led directly to her death because it fueled paranoia and made her feel she could trust no one.

Following those events their father then introduced the other woman Camilla into their lives and they appear to have been expected to accept the situation.

It's hardly surprising Harry is dysfunctional. He then married a person equally dysfunctional who added to his issues, fuelling them.

William married a person with a stable background whose family have his back. Therein lies the real difference.

The press behaved abhorrentlyand I totally understand why Harry hates them. More is going to come out in the next 18 months about the phone hacking and other events.

Tbh, I don't think Charles, Camilla or Meghan come out of the whole sorry saga well.

He is a hypocritical egotistical jerk and she is no better

Harry's relationship with his brother and sister in law should have evolved as he moved on with his life instead his happiness has blown a hole in everything he seems freakishly obsessed excluding his family expecting money from them constantly complaining like a damm manchild throwing a mantrum even pulling PR stunts when his brother is sharing the same country as him it reeks of jealousy

As far as I can see meghan did nothing really "wrong" she acted like an American would her expectations were way off like Harry telling her she needed to curtsey to the Queen and her being all like....but it's your grandmother 😂 no its the QUEEN first grandmother second she resisted change would not conform fine its her nature after all I would hate it too I dont blame her one bit for leaving but it's the way they left the way they continued to blame everyone for their choices continued to make demands continued to publicly upset a family that do not fight back publicly its unfair and unnecessary

Get on with your life stop biting the hand that put that silver spoon in your mouth

They could have had a life of fun and service together. The only reason they need all this ££ is because they both want the Hollywood razamataz. Harry has no concept of what the standard of living and security he is accustomed to costs. Meghan ought to have more of an idea, but seemingly not. They could have bought an amazing but slightly smaller house, in a less high profile area and lived off their money and still been philanthropic figures.