The Queen died at 3:10pm of 'old age'

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news.sky.com/story/queens-cause-of-death-revealed-as-extract-of-certificate-published-12707655

I can't quite remember the timings of news reports on the day. Was the Queen already deceased when the news were saying the doctors are 'concerned for her health'?

Are you a doctor in Scotland? And have you seen all the posts about people with just that on their death certificate? Including from someone who writes them?

When df died, we got the call from the hospital to say he had died around 11pm, but were told that the paperwork might record it as being the following day, if the doctor didn’t arrive to certify his death until after midnight.

This was during covid so no family could be there.

In Jane Ridley's biography of George V, she says that 'in his secret notes, Dawson (the king's doctor) recorded that 'at 11pm it was obvious that the last stage might last for many hours. In order to ensure a brief final scene, I therefore decided o determine the end, and injected morphia and shortly afterwards cocaine into the extended jugular vein.'

She points out that the killing of an unconscious patient without prior knowledge or consent is hardly a mercy killing, and that this was a convenience killing - Dawson had already told his wife to call the Times and tell them to stop the presses until the King's death had been announced so it could be in the Times and not the tabloids. Whether or not Dawson murdered the king is open to debate.

if you are a hospital doctor then the causes of death that you write for elderly people in your care will probably be very different from the causes of death written for well looked after elderly people who die in their own homes. Your patients will have recognised and diagnosed infections from complications after surgery, hospital acquired infections, pneumonia and other lung conditions exacerbated by bed rest, all of which can be written up as infections. Of course these could also be the causes of death for people dying at home but I imagine that the relatives of hospital patients would in most cases expect a more detailed explanation of their family members cause of death than “old age”.

Charles was photographed boarding a helicopter at Dumfries House around 10.30 am

Charles was photographed boarding a helicopter at Dumfries House around 10.30 am

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I was quoting from this article which appears earlier in this thread.

Jenna Bush Hager, President Bush's daughter, was preparing to interview Camilla for US television (she is a presenter on the Today Show) at Dumfries House that morning. Here is her version of the timeline. According to her, the call came to Charles a little after noon and he and Camilla left by helicopter almost immediately.
www.today.com/news/news/jenna-bush-hager-dinner-king-charles-queens-death-rcna47266

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Jenna Bush Hagar, who was expecting an interview about the book club with the then Duchess of Cornwall, was present at Dumfries House and states that there was running up and down the halls at 12:30, she was told Charles was taking a call, then she heard a helicopter start up.

If there was a 10:30 helicopter movement, it looks as if it might have been in addition to the one she reported

Indeed.

I hope that those who wanted to had the chance to, if not that very evening, within the next couple of days. I expect they did have the chance, and I hope they could see her by themselves if they wanted to.

I have thought quite a bit about Angela Kelly and HM's personal maids, who probably saw her fragility more than anyone else in these last few months.

What was the question? Was she already dead when the docs were concerned for her? No, that 'concerned' message was a signal for us to be prepared and, as others have said, it would take a while for certain people to be told first before it was on the national news.

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Why are people so obsessed with trying to pick holes in the death certificate and get all conspiracy theorist? She was a 96 year old woman. Her body gave up on her - many old people just fade away. My granny died in similar circumstances and the doctor said they weren’t sure if it was her heart, a stroke or some other cause which was the final straw. Her entire body was failing because she was old so the cause was marked as old age.
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This.

Nothing shows it was sudden more than two of her children failing to get there in time.

It sounds like ( and of course we can never know for sure ) that it was a good death.
Suddenly and in decent enough health to be doing what you want in the days before. And in the place you are most comfortable.
Lucky woman.

Where did Harry travel from? He had been in the UK, then he and Meghan had gone to Germany(?), so where were they by the morning of the day when the Queen died?

They were at Frogmore . They were scheduled to attend an event that evening which they - obviously- cancelled .
The Düsseldorf trip was there and back in a day.

It would have been sad if the other grandchildren didn’t get there in time too IF they’d have tried to get there. But they didn’t.

I read some accounts (or speculation more like) in the UK media (and I realize some might be unreliable) that the plane delay might have been royal aids trying to sort out if William and Harry should be on the same plane. Not because of the rift, but because they are both close heirs to the throne. And under current law, if George became king while a minor, Harry would be regent, assuming he moved back to the UK.

I takes a while to get up to Aberdeen though - Charles was told at 12:30 (Jenna Bush Hager account) and the SKY news story about the queen being under medical supervision has a date/time stamp of 13:30, so it was presumably within that hour that other immediate family were told.

How long does it take to find a suitable plane ready to fly and get everyone from where they were to the airport and then off? They landed at 15:50, so probably were taking off around 14:30, so that's 1-2 hours between notification and take off. There doesn't seem to be that much scope for delay - but perhaps someone who knows more about aviation would be able to work out better timelines

Harry was told at 3pm.

Harry was told at 3pm.

Can I ask how you know that?

That can’t have been the case if Charles was unable to get hold of him as he was on board a flight to Aberdeen at the time.

The Queen was still alive at 3.00pm

There are ways of getting messages from the ground to an aircraft in a moment of national importance.

The news release about the Queen's health alert came out in news alerts from Sky and BBC at about 12.35pm. It was earlier than 1.30.

Thanks!

I did have it in mind that it was about 12:30, but I looked back at news for the day, and BBC had taken off the time stamp, and SKY was the one I found (maybe it's showing a time it was revised?)

I still make it 1-2 hours to contact everyone, arrange the plane, get to an airport, and take off (Charles rung at 12:30, plane needing to be leaving at about 1430)

I'm really not sure that leaves much time for a row that caused delay

How long it takes to alert key family would very much depend on where they were and if they have a phone (or a private secretary) with them. If off walking dogs, riding, something private or whatever it could take a while to track them down

www.mumsnet.com/talk/thirty_days_only/4629225-were-being-prepared-arent-we-message-about-the-queen-being-under-medical-supervision?page=26

Here is the mumsnet thread on the day.

DWMoosmum · Yesterday 17:32
I think she ordered herself to be euthanised, like the late Queen Victoria. I mean, she was the queen, she was old, poor and had had enough, who would stop her?

If that were the case I think she would have waited for her family to arrive. But anyway her religious convictions would surely have ruled out euthanasia.

That’s illegal. She because she’s a Queen she can’t bend the law.