The Queen died at 3:10pm of 'old age'

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news.sky.com/story/queens-cause-of-death-revealed-as-extract-of-certificate-published-12707655

I can't quite remember the timings of news reports on the day. Was the Queen already deceased when the news were saying the doctors are 'concerned for her health'?

Or ignore the numerous posts explaining the Scottish death certificate and that there are zero indicators of redactions.

I suspect she died early that morning, or even during the night before, but the Palace knew how important Truss's announcement was to people worried about the energy crisis and so they sensitively stalled on any news until the earliest possible opportunity (knowing that Parliament would have to shut down) and that moment was 20 seconds after Liz Truss had sat down after giving her announcement.

Why did Charles only get a phone call and leave at 12.30 then? And why did the others get there so late?

BBC suspended programming at around 12.30. Why would they do that if she was ill - even if she was seriously ill or had a stroke or something? They wouldn't have been able to know how long she had left and potentially it could have all gone on for days. So they must have known she'd passed.

No. That isn't the only explanation. It is equally consistent with being told that she was very ill and was going to die soon.

Why not? It's entirely typical of death from old age that there comes a point when death is obviously imminent but will still take a few hours. That is what happened in my 94 year old mother's case.

That's what a Scottish death certificate looks like. Nothing has been removed.

I can't believe the number of people on this thread who have never seen a Scottish death certificate before, but somehow "know" that it doesn't look like that.

The media knew long before the public announcement. I distinctly remember having to leave work early that day for an appointment and as I walked out at 3.45pm, the sky news guy on all the TVs in the office already had his black tie/jacket on. He already knew.

Honestly, loads of bonkers conspiracies!

The medical team knew around midday that she was on her way out so the family were called, the prime minister informed, and Operation London Bridge/Unicorn was started. There was very likely a part of Operation London Bridge on what happens during the Queen's last hours if she's unconscious and unlikely to fully recover, and it probably includes announcing a subtle message to the public so they can be prepared/explain the unexpected movement of other royals, hence the rolling BBC coverage, and to start moving soldiers etc to where they need to be.

Apparently, the Royal Family often announce big news around 3pm, so I'm guessing the BBC was expecting an update for then so they got the newscasters ready in black ties, but then nothing. (They mucked up there)
Their grave faces at this time were the realisation that they would have to waffle on about nothing for another 3 hours. 😅

Anyone who says they knew before 3.10pm was either trying to be clever and making an educated guess based on Operation London Bridge being actioned, or is a nutter. Anyone who knew between 3.10-4.30pm when the PM was informed isn't going to be telling Mumsnetters. Anyone who knew after Liz Truss isn't that special.

RIP HRH

If she had bone cancer as rumoured or a stroke or whatever you can guarantee that we will hear all about it on Oprah at some point. Next tell all story lining up nicely.

She had very strong Christian beliefs so I don't think she'd do that, it would be a form of suicide.

What about her other grandchildren, why is Harry so special?

I registered the death of an elderly relative, I'm sure it said "frailty of old age" rather than just old age.

I was a care assistant on geriatric wards, nursing homes and home visits. There are usually clear signs to indicate that someone is likely to die within a matter of hours, especially the very elderly. It doesn’t have to be something specific like a heart attack. I’ve often arrived for a night shift and the handover from day staff would say this patient is probably not going to last until morning. They can be so deeply asleep they’re difficult or impossible to rouse. The extremities and limbs might tinge blue or purple and feel cool or cold to touch. Breathing can become shallow and then erratic, with really long pauses between breaths. As they stop swallowing, saliva accumulates in the throat causing a rattly, or bubbly sound. All of these indicate death is approaching but whether two hours or 12 hours away isn’t always clear.

My parents died in hospital, 30 years apart, and in both cases the ward sister rang to say they were dying and we were able to visit to say goodbye. It was peaceful and gentle, and I’m glad we did.

My mum died a couple of days after the Queen. My mum was covid positive, however her death certificate states "frailty due to old age", no mention of covid at all.
Over 500 people officially died of covid last week. I wonder what the real number was.

Harry and William were the two grandchildren who tried to get there (that we know of).

Did they ever release Prince Philip’s death certificate and his time of death?

I was pleased she was able to do that.

Philip died in England. Time of death is not recorded.

why can people not tell the difference between “Jane is dead” and “we have been told Jane is seriously Ill and has a couple of hours st best”. BBC, itv, sky etc knew she hadn’t long, hence the black. That’s not the same as knowing she’d already died.

Death of old age is the same as death of any other cause. The heart stops beating, circulation of oxygen to tissues stops and life ceases. It’s a fairly peaceful process and comes with plenty of warning, often occurs in your sleep. The body just stops working. Old age is not definitive because genetically we age at different rates.
I actually thinks it’s probably the very best way to die.

Imagine if you are the bbc. You are told the Queen is gravely ill.

And you decide to carry on for another 3 hours in your brightly coloured tie and normal attire.

Can you imagine the number of complaints they'd get from the 'eez noot wearing a poppy ya know. Nazi traitor!' crew?!

Because 50% of the population are below average IQ?

To be fair, you're unlikely to order a copy of your own.

Sorry if this has already been asked - but if the plane was held up for an hour because they were waiting for Harry - would William et al have been there to say their final goodbyes if it had left on time?

😂Only in Back to the Future!

They did not travel together. William travelled with Andrew and the wessexes. Harry flew separately.

Had they travelled to Balmoral by helicopter as originally planned then yes.