The Queen died at 3:10pm of 'old age'

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news.sky.com/story/queens-cause-of-death-revealed-as-extract-of-certificate-published-12707655

I can't quite remember the timings of news reports on the day. Was the Queen already deceased when the news were saying the doctors are 'concerned for her health'?

Who cares if people speculate anyway?

Jenna Bush talked about suddenly hearing feet running in the corridors and minutes later Charles and Camilla were off in the helicopter.

Readinginthesun · Yesterday 18:08
antelopevalley · Yesterday 17:31
Harry had not been told about the plane until it was too late for him to get there.
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Where is that stated ?

I find that hard to believe. Sounds like a Scobie "see how badly they treat the Sussexes" excuse.

My clear recollection is of them putting that notice up after the official announcement, around 6.45 pm.

I thought they did the announcement gibbered for a bit then showed recordings of the notices going up at Buckingham Palace, Holyrood, and a couple of others (presumably the formal residences in Wales and NI)
I thought all the notices went up at 6.30 the same time as broadcasters announced it.

Yes. And she also said they left because the Queen was ill, not dead. But last time I clicked on the link to that article it didn't seem to be there any more.

So just to clear a few things up as someone who has being certifying death and filling out death certificates and crem forms for 25 years…

old age is perfectly accessible on its own, especially for someone in her 90s. There’s no obligation to list other conditions unless they directly contributed to the death. It may well be that they wanted to keep some of her conditions away from the public eye as a death certificate is a public document.

it only needs one doctor to legally confirm the time of death. The legal time of death is the time the doctor confirmed the death by examining the patient. This can be many hours after (and sometimes the following day). If it is an expected death we wouldn’t necessarily interrupt family at the bedside to confirm death.

one doctor still does the death certificate but the regulations were relaxed around covid around crem forms to cope with extra volume of deaths. Our hospital uses one doctor who saw the patient and ideally filled out the death certificate and then the second part of the form is filled by a medical examiner (also a doctor) who will go through the notes in detail and check everything is above board.
Hope that helps!

The notice is the official announcement isn't it? I thought that's how they make the announcement, traditionally.

Reasonable not accessible!

Thank you for that @Namechangedforspooky

@Namechangedforspooky does the medical examiner look at the patient or just the paper work?

For patients in hospital they just do a brief external examination in the mortuary, mainly to confirm identity and check for pacemaker. Not sure what hone arrangements are but it can happen days after death

Arrangements are in the community that should say

But she wasn’t cremated anyway so academic in this case!

cremation needs 2 doctors as you are essentially destroying the evidence if there is any foul play. This has always been the case but regulations were tightened post Shipman.

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cremation needs 2 doctors as you are essentially destroying the evidence if there is any foul play. This has always been the case but regulations were tightened post Shipman.

At the point at which someone dies you don't necessarily know what their funeral arrangements will be.

When my OH died one doctor verified it and he was later cremated.

I thought it required two doctors regardless of funeral arrangements.

You take the death paper to the registrar, they then give you the death certificate.
Once you have that you take it to the undertaker to sort the funeral arrangements. I don't think they see the papers from the Doctors.

No it didn't require two doctors. My OH died at home.

And was cremated.

In England and Wales it requires two Drs unless the patient has been seen in so many previous days and was clearly ill. In Scotland one Dr is fine.

Funeral director here. We do see the doctors paperwork (mccd) for cremation. It is sent to us either directly from the GP or will come with the deceased on removal from hospital. The doctors also regularly come to our mortuary to complete the paperwork, which they then leave with us.
We then send the green form, the mccd , and the cremation papers to the relevant crematorium. Without this, the cremation cant take place.
But we see the whole form, including cause of death and the circumstances leading up to death.
Burial has different rules. Reason being, you can exhume a body if necessary. It’s hard to un-cremate someone 😂

I believe there were issues with the weather which caused some delay.