The Queen died at 3:10pm of 'old age'

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I can't quite remember the timings of news reports on the day. Was the Queen already deceased when the news were saying the doctors are 'concerned for her health'?

Yes but Harry is supposed to be angry he wasn’t told until 5 mins before the public were. The reason given was that he was on a flight and not contactable.

The public were told formally at 6:30 pm

The 'under medical supervision' announcement was at about 12:30, and presumably family were informed at around that time (possibly just before)

Then there were announcements made about the Sussexes intended travel (was it Scobie? I can't remember) so it seems pretty likely that he did know.

Actual death was certified at 3:10, so the death would have been close to that time - there would have been officials present to declare "The Queen is dead, long live the King" so not a lot of wiggle room for even a few private moments.

The PM was told at about 4:30

Was Harry really on a plane for about 3 hours that afternoon - from say about 3:15 to 6.15? Where was he going? It really doesn't take that long to fly London to Aberdeen.

Yes but Harry is supposed to be angry he wasn’t told until 5 mins before the public were. The reason given was that he was on a flight and not contactable.

Where did you find this out?

There is some reporting that Charles reached Harry by phone in the plane to tell him, which was right before the plane landed, and just a few minutes before the public announcement. So yes, it does appear that she died before Harry even got on the plane, which landed around 6:30.

There is also reporting that it was Charles who called Harry in the early afternoon to tell him that the Queen was near death. Originally, Meghan was going to accompany him to Scotland, but when it was determined that Catherine was not going with William, a decision was made for Meghan not to go.

Windsor. Frogmore cottage.

The plane was scheduled to leave at 1.30 but was delayed until 2.39 . It sat at Northolt -apparently as they expected Harry to join them but he was embroiled in discussions with Charles about whether or not Meghan should go .
By the time Harry’s plane took off , The Queen had died.
My own - admittedly cynical- view is that Harry was notified at the last minute in case the news leaked out .

I know what Jenna Bush has claimed but is it not more likely that Charles etc were told well before the lunchtime announcement and plans were well underway before it became public ?
Members if the public filmed Charles leaving in his helicopter well before 12.30 .

Of course they did. Did anyone not notice the cameras were filming the place gates and the two staff walked up and started putting the notice up. The camera instantly went all over the place and we were back to the studio and it was announced. Maybe they had to wait for that official notice going up before announcing the death.

Harry had not been told about the plane until it was too late for him to get there.

According to the daily mail who just make shit up.

That's so recent for you I'm sorry for your loss 💐

Didn’t he helicopter to an engagement at 10.30 and then return before leaving again with Camilla at 12.30?

That’s what I thought or it brought Camilla from the airport as she was down south, not at Dumfries Hose I think?

Camilla was at Dumfries House .

She was at Dumfries house as well

Where is that stated ?

That could well be the case , I just know he was filmed leaving earlier .

Camilla was either at, or due to arrive at Dumfries House that day, as she was to be interviewed there about her book club

Charles had been at Dumfries House from the day before for an official engagement. Camilla was with him.

Camilla was supposed to arrive prior to dinner the night before, and have dinner with Charles and Jenna Bush, but her BA flight was delayed , and she didn’t arrive until later in the evening. So said Jenna, in any event.

Look back at the very old threads about "what will happen when the Queen dies"

Broadcasters are notified, with strict embargo. But programming is changed (eg to rolling news, or music channels going gloomy) so that when the announcement's made it's not abruptly in the middle of a comedy show.

I think quite a lot of people knew or had worked out that death was expected or had already happened. Over the years, many people have become aware of elements of London Bridge (journalists, military, other civil service) that there were lots who understood what they were seeing. But also knew to respect the embargo

(Also, I wondered if Jenna - well used to press interest in her family’s lives - might have been intentionally imprecise about the timings of Charles and Camilla leaving just so it made it harder for people to speculate? )

And yes - I thought it was relatively clear that there was no expectation that she’d recover and was approaching the end of her life once the note was passed around the House of Commons and the PM/Keir Starmer left the Chamber to be briefed. I suspect they knew in advance of the media, but not by long - the BBC had to get Huw dressed appropriately and on air and make sure they knew their procedures.

Doubt it.

Don't see what could possibly be in it for her to lie publicly. She needn't have mentioned precise times if she wanted to be imprecise.