Harry has a lot to answer for.

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I think Harry has a lot to answer for in this whole debacle. He's a 35 year old man brought up as a Royal who should know how the whole thing works and how to ensure his wife is fully educated in the rules and regs. of being a Royal. She was his wife, why on earth was she going to HR at the Palace for help with mental health problems? Harry has loads of experience and the knowledge of where to get help, what on earth was he doing? Harry knows full well that there is a rule about not being given a royal title when it comes to Archie. Why didn't he explain this to Megan? It has absolutely nothing to do with Archie's skin colour. Why is Harry moaning about having their security removed given his father paid £4m for their security after the tax payer stopped paying after they moved to California?
It is not the Royal family's decision whither or not someone has The Metropolitan Police fly over to do security duties.
Prince William sorted the press out when they were making disparaging comments about Kate, why didn't he put his foot down as his brother did?

I also thought MM would bring a lot to the UK. But I don't believe they gave the Royal life a real go.

It's not a racist idea to hope to see more minorities being represented in position of power and influence.

Can anyone imagine H&M saying 'when they go low, we go high'?

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@fafadebelem

It's not a racist idea to hope to see more minorities being represented in position of power and influence.

Stop twisting, that isn't what I said at all.

The point of this thread was to talk about Harry and his share of the responsibility in all this.

I really resent this idea that I have to 'represent' other people who look like me because I can only be myself. White people aren't asked to do that, poc shouldn't be either. It's a racist idea.

I don't think it is. I'm Welsh/British, and travel a lot. I always feel I'm kind of representing Wales
/Britain when I travel, and behave accordingly.
Think of the reputation England (specifically, rather than U.K.) has for drinking because of the drunken English football fans.

Anyone that has a position of power and influence should be held to a higher standard. Fact. Black or white.

“Making false comparisons, based on the ethnicity of two people, is racist and I would have thought that was pretty obvious by 2021.”

Not twisting at all!

@fafadebelem

Anyone that has a position of power and influence should be held to a higher standard. Fact. Black or white.

That isn't the same as expecting MM to emulate MO because they're both black women.

And saying 'fact' doesn't make it so. Plenty of powerful, influential people, particularly men, aren't held to a higher standard at all - look at Trump and Johnson, both men with really low moral standards who had big election wins.

@MrsFin

I really resent this idea that I have to 'represent' other people who look like me because I can only be myself. White people aren't asked to do that, poc shouldn't be either. It's a racist idea.

I don't think it is. I'm Welsh/British, and travel a lot. I always feel I'm kind of representing Wales
/Britain when I travel, and behave accordingly.
Think of the reputation England (specifically, rather than U.K.) has for drinking because of the drunken English football fans.

You're comparing a whole group of peoples, not 2 separate people with totally different personalities.

I said people SHOULD be held to a higher standard. Emphasis on should.

I didn’t say there were held.

Let’s all not twist each other words. 😉

I didn't twist your words @fafadebelem - you made a comparison between MM and MO that I consider false, based on them both being black women, so my comment was straight.

And sure, people should do all kinds of things that they fail to do.

I will agree to disagree.

I think... if we are to compare, and I don't really like comparisons... a better one is Grace Kelly who married a playboy prince in the Grimaldi Monaco RF.

Beautiful american actress, from Hollywood to royalty, set up the Grace Kelly Foundation, she had to give up her acting career in order to marry - she struggled with loneliness and the expectations of royal life.

Very good example Roussette, and I would like to include Queen Letizia of Spain, a former TV presenter.

And Big Suze who married Lord Frederick Windsor.

@Diptyque

Very good example Roussette, and I would like to include Queen Letizia of Spain, a former TV presenter.

Princess Sofia of Sweden as well.

@Roussette

I think... if we are to compare, and I don't really like comparisons... a better one is Grace Kelly who married a playboy prince in the Grimaldi Monaco RF.

Beautiful american actress, from Hollywood to royalty, set up the Grace Kelly Foundation, she had to give up her acting career in order to marry - she struggled with loneliness and the expectations of royal life.

Although that comparison is between completely different eras, which in itself is incomparable.

All examples of women that stuck it out for much longer than MM. Hard to find comparables that paint MM in a good light.

I agree that these are all individuals, with different backgrounds and live experiences. Still though...

Yes, totally different era I agree SoWhyNot but the press back then were incessant in their coverage of her. If it had been now, it would've been unbearable I imagine.

Now looking up Big Suze! And Princess Sofia!

Queen Letizia, just love her clothes, similar to Kate but a bit more edgy. Never realised she was a TV presenter.

Women who stuck it out. Apologies, mead grammar. English is not my first language.

fafa Prince Rainier was King so different there. I'm sure you can't paint MM in a good light!

Grace Kelly, or Queen Noor of Jordan,

there are plenty of American women who have married British toffs and are a better basis for comparison.

Rousette

You are right. And we're all entitled to our opinions.

I was just doing the comparison of an American actress marrying into a RF.
Not easy