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The royal family

Harry has a lot to answer for.

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Corcory · 10/03/2021 10:14

I think Harry has a lot to answer for in this whole debacle. He's a 35 year old man brought up as a Royal who should know how the whole thing works and how to ensure his wife is fully educated in the rules and regs. of being a Royal. She was his wife, why on earth was she going to HR at the Palace for help with mental health problems? Harry has loads of experience and the knowledge of where to get help, what on earth was he doing? Harry knows full well that there is a rule about not being given a royal title when it comes to Archie. Why didn't he explain this to Megan? It has absolutely nothing to do with Archie's skin colour. Why is Harry moaning about having their security removed given his father paid £4m for their security after the tax payer stopped paying after they moved to California?
It is not the Royal family's decision whither or not someone has The Metropolitan Police fly over to do security duties.
Prince William sorted the press out when they were making disparaging comments about Kate, why didn't he put his foot down as his brother did?

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redspecial · 20/03/2021 18:39

How could I forget Jamie Lee Curtis, AKA Baroness Hayden-Guest. Proper A list Hollywood, married to a British aristo, philanthropist, incredible woman.

Mummyoflittledragon · 20/03/2021 18:39

@Itsalonghaul

I could not agree with you more fafa MM's influence could have eclipsed almost anyone if she had remained in the RF for a while longer, and given time made the changes she needed to see.

When she first came to the UK it was truly exciting, and when the wedding day arrived everyone LOVED her. We celebrated their wedding perhaps even more so than Kate and William. We absolutely loved Meghan as a nation.
When her father let her down and she walked down the aisle so independent, and radiating such beauty and intelligence. I really thought good on you girl, many of us have crappy families that let us down, and here we have a young woman with such courage to put it all to one side and marry the man she loves in front of the whole world. She was inspirational. A real force for good.

The opportunity to make a huge difference in the commonwealth, in the UK itself, the global horizons were literally limitless for her had she wanted to play her part in history properly. That is why I feel such despair when we see what has happened, and what has been lost.

Some of the things she stands for are much bigger than herself and her needs, and she just could not see it, and did not have the wisdom or to care enough for the little girls (and adults) that were watching, the huge influence she had was really something. That is why I really don't want this to end badly, because she was/is a role model even if she never truly understood the responsibility that comes with that.

I totally agree with this post. It is so sad that H&M couldn’t see this. Too impetuous. The public really were behind them.
LittleBearPad · 20/03/2021 18:40

@ImpatiensI

While black women don't have to behave impeccably any more than other people, I hugely admire black peope in the public eye that know their visibility is vital for people that look like them. They're trailblazers. For us, people of colour. It a huge ask, only the sturdier can take this on. MM was not cut for it and couldn't deal with the sacrifices, either for the public or for her family.

Exactly! MM wasn't cut out for that role, she isn't the same personality at all as MO and she shouldn't have to be compared to her.

I am also 'of colour' and I really resent this idea that I have to 'represent' other people who look like me because I can only be myself. White people aren't asked to do that, poc shouldn't be either. It's a racist idea.

In corporate life women are frequently asked to represent other women, be role models etc.
SoWhyNot · 20/03/2021 18:41

@redspecial

How could I forget Jamie Lee Curtis, AKA Baroness Hayden-Guest. Proper A list Hollywood, married to a British aristo, philanthropist, incredible woman.
I always forget as well. I think that being Jamie Lee Curtis and her life before she married us what she thinks defines her and is what she is proud of. Does she ever even use her title?
redspecial · 20/03/2021 19:04

no she doesn't use her title, she has nothing to prove to anyone and isn't grasping or high maintenance. MM could have learnt a lot from her and others like her, if she'd paused for a second and researched the role properly.

SoWhyNot · 20/03/2021 19:06

@redspecial

no she doesn't use her title, she has nothing to prove to anyone and isn't grasping or high maintenance. MM could have learnt a lot from her and others like her, if she'd paused for a second and researched the role properly.
In fairness, many of us could learn a lot from Jamie Lee Curtis and in a good way.
ImAncient · 20/03/2021 19:28

Let’s face it most people would find it hard to marry into the RF. Diana & Sarah Ferguson were from that world & they struggled.

Lauren15 · 20/03/2021 19:45

I remember reading that Diana’s dgm warned her against marrying into the RF, saying something about them having a strange sense of humour. Mind you Sophie and Kate have fitted in very well and Mike Tindall has become very close to the Queen apparently. Of course all these people had long courtships. I have to say I really like Sophie Wessex. She knows what her role is and seems very comfortable in her skin. I particularly admired her for doing that bike ride for the D of E award. I remember what a warm greeting she got from her family when she reached the finish line. My df is a staunch republican and even he has remarked on how well she performs her role. (He has also dealt with Princess Anne through work and was impressed but thought Charles was a plonker)

MummyJ12 · 20/03/2021 19:47

I absolutely loved MM. I thought she was fabulous and was so happy for them both, I even threw a massive party on the day of the wedding for all of our friends to celebrate. I still don’t dislike her, I don’t know her well enough to. But I don’t like some of her decisions and how she’s handled things.
Harry, I have more of an issue with! He has so much to answer for. He needed to protect Meghan, guide her and look after her. I don’t think he did.
He should have met her father before the wedding. The fact he didn’t was disrespectful.
The night she said she didn’t feel like she wanted to live anymore, I can’t believe he still went to the Albert Hall and carried on as if nothing was wrong instead of getting help for his wife immediately. I don’t know how she did it.
He has had a lifetime of “training” but he expected MM to pick up all of the protocol, etiquette etc. ridiculously quickly. He rushed things and I think she would have benefited from more time to get to grips with all of the pomp and circumstance associated with being in the RF.
Now he’s not taking any accountability, but blaming everyone else for them having to step back. (Although I acknowledge that it’s not all of his doing!)
I’ve lost a lot of respect for him and no longer feel as though he is an asset to the RF. I think he’s a liability.

willibald · 20/03/2021 19:57

He rushed things and I think she would have benefited from more time to get to grips with all of the pomp and circumstance associated with being in the RF.

Do you think she'd have waited around? She's older than he is; wanted and needed to get pregnant right away.

She's an intelligent person who was in her mid-30s, not a silly teenager like Harry's mother.

MummyJ12 · 20/03/2021 20:06

Good point, but I reckon it was more of a case him not wanting her to get away than the other way around. I think she’d have waited.....

willibald · 20/03/2021 20:10

@MummyJ12

Good point, but I reckon it was more of a case him not wanting her to get away than the other way around. I think she’d have waited.....
I highly doubt she would have. She wanted kids and a ring asap and time wasn't on her side.
Ritascornershop · 20/03/2021 20:22

Sorry, just taking on board that Big Suze is now Lady Frederick Windsor - I hadn’t put those two ideas together.

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 20/03/2021 20:40

@ImAncient

Let’s face it most people would find it hard to marry into the RF. Diana & Sarah Ferguson were from that world & they struggled.
It would be horrendous I can imagine

Never wish to be famous either. Rich is ok but fabulous isn't a good life for most

MrsTabithaTwitchit · 20/03/2021 20:56

The most obvious comparator is probably Princess Mary of Denmark who was Mary Donaldson and Australian , although her situation is more similar to Catherine . Also Queen Maxima of Holland and of course Princess Angela who is married to the heir of Liechtenstein is Afro Panamanian and formerly lived and worked in NYC.

Jenala · 20/03/2021 21:03

It's such a relief to read a thread about H&M that's not all fawning, poor Meghan etc. I was beginning to think I was the only one who isn't a fan of her. I thought she came across as disingenuous and inauthentic from the start. The interview when whey were engaged came across like someone badly acting being in love. I don't know why I can't put my finger on it.

I do know my opinion is nothing to do with her ethnic background, largely because I didn't even realised she was biracial as she is so light skinned. I probably still wouldn't know if it wasn't for the fact that any criticism of her behaviour or things she says is usually immediately decried as racism. I think the anti-racists care about bloodlines at least as much as, if not more than, actual out and out racists. There's definitely something interesting in that, but that's a whole different post.

In the interview she did something I've not seen commented much but felt like it confirmed my gut sense of her. She said it wasn't true she made Kate cry, that was a smear campaign, and actually it was the other way round and Kate made her cry... But she owned it and Meghan forgave her. Whatever the truth of the matter, that's such an immature, shitty thing to say. I think Meghan is so narcissistic she thought this painted her in a good light. In a kind of, "no no actually I was the victim but I forgave her because I'm such a good, gracious person" type way. If it was true and it was the other way round, the classy thing is just to say "No, I didn't make her cry. Kate and I actually get on really well, she's a great person and I really respect her". But Meghan just can't resist any opportunity to paint herself as the long suffering victim.

I think Harry was just head over heels and in Meghan's thrall, and now he's in too deep. A professionally self righteous victim like her wouldn't be able to have an amicable divorce. She's proven she doesn't want to be out of the limelight as she goes to the media with everything. If they split she would destroy him and they have kids now. I felt for him when Oprah said the next day about how he'd approached her to clarify it wasn't Charles or the Queen made the comment. Reminded me of someone posting something on here then the next day thinking oh shit and asking MN to delete. Except it was too late. He couldn't unsay anything.

I see a divorce in a few years and Meghan cashing in by having lots of tearful interviews implying he is racist and abusive. That's my prediction.

GoLightlyontheEarth · 20/03/2021 21:06

@Jenala

It's such a relief to read a thread about H&M that's not all fawning, poor Meghan etc. I was beginning to think I was the only one who isn't a fan of her. I thought she came across as disingenuous and inauthentic from the start. The interview when whey were engaged came across like someone badly acting being in love. I don't know why I can't put my finger on it.

I do know my opinion is nothing to do with her ethnic background, largely because I didn't even realised she was biracial as she is so light skinned. I probably still wouldn't know if it wasn't for the fact that any criticism of her behaviour or things she says is usually immediately decried as racism. I think the anti-racists care about bloodlines at least as much as, if not more than, actual out and out racists. There's definitely something interesting in that, but that's a whole different post.

In the interview she did something I've not seen commented much but felt like it confirmed my gut sense of her. She said it wasn't true she made Kate cry, that was a smear campaign, and actually it was the other way round and Kate made her cry... But she owned it and Meghan forgave her. Whatever the truth of the matter, that's such an immature, shitty thing to say. I think Meghan is so narcissistic she thought this painted her in a good light. In a kind of, "no no actually I was the victim but I forgave her because I'm such a good, gracious person" type way. If it was true and it was the other way round, the classy thing is just to say "No, I didn't make her cry. Kate and I actually get on really well, she's a great person and I really respect her". But Meghan just can't resist any opportunity to paint herself as the long suffering victim.

I think Harry was just head over heels and in Meghan's thrall, and now he's in too deep. A professionally self righteous victim like her wouldn't be able to have an amicable divorce. She's proven she doesn't want to be out of the limelight as she goes to the media with everything. If they split she would destroy him and they have kids now. I felt for him when Oprah said the next day about how he'd approached her to clarify it wasn't Charles or the Queen made the comment. Reminded me of someone posting something on here then the next day thinking oh shit and asking MN to delete. Except it was too late. He couldn't unsay anything.

I see a divorce in a few years and Meghan cashing in by having lots of tearful interviews implying he is racist and abusive. That's my prediction.

Yes totally agree with you.
willibald · 20/03/2021 21:08

I agree with you, too, Jenala. Can't believe how many fell for that doe-eyed lovey dovey crap.

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 20/03/2021 21:13

Eye quite like some of the doe-eyed Me-gain fans. Fansinating hearing them try and justify the interview and Gayle King comments.

I do want to know how some posters can claim to love the Me-gain but also say they are anti monchahy. The two things don't pair up because she may be destructive but she still is a royal fan herself.

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 20/03/2021 21:14

EyeGrin I quite like

Roussette · 20/03/2021 21:20

It's such a relief to read a thread about H&M that's not all fawning, poor Meghan etc. I was beginning to think I was the only one who isn't a fan of her.

You must be new to MN.
There's been years of being polite non fawning threads about MM.

I see a divorce in a few years and Meghan cashing in by having lots of tearful interviews implying he is racist and abusive. That's my prediction

Lots of predictions of that. Unpleasant given that this is a couple who are in love and are expecting a second child.

Roussette · 20/03/2021 21:23

Eye quite like some of the doe-eyed Me-gain fans

Oh do give over! You're sounding totally daft now!

Can we think that Meghan is actually not spawn of the devil without being errrmmmm 'doe-eyed'

Pathetic 😂

p.s. I don't 'love' her by the way

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 20/03/2021 21:30

@Roussette

Eye quite like some of the doe-eyed Me-gain fans

Oh do give over! You're sounding totally daft now!

Can we think that Meghan is actually not spawn of the devil without being errrmmmm 'doe-eyed'

Pathetic 😂

p.s. I don't 'love' her by the way

😜
Roussette · 20/03/2021 21:36

😜 and I'll raise you a 🤪 !!

Samcro · 20/03/2021 21:37

Jenala are you new or something?
I ask as mn has been a hotbed of hate for meghan for ever.
At one time people even trolled mn to spew their hate.
So ffs don't re write history.