Harry has a lot to answer for.

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I think Harry has a lot to answer for in this whole debacle. He's a 35 year old man brought up as a Royal who should know how the whole thing works and how to ensure his wife is fully educated in the rules and regs. of being a Royal. She was his wife, why on earth was she going to HR at the Palace for help with mental health problems? Harry has loads of experience and the knowledge of where to get help, what on earth was he doing? Harry knows full well that there is a rule about not being given a royal title when it comes to Archie. Why didn't he explain this to Megan? It has absolutely nothing to do with Archie's skin colour. Why is Harry moaning about having their security removed given his father paid £4m for their security after the tax payer stopped paying after they moved to California?
It is not the Royal family's decision whither or not someone has The Metropolitan Police fly over to do security duties.
Prince William sorted the press out when they were making disparaging comments about Kate, why didn't he put his foot down as his brother did?

Michelle Obama is genuinely a world class communicator and is highly respected all over the world. She is authentic and has very high values, she has something very special about her ~ Everyone can relate to her, she will have a massive fan ad audience base of tens of millions, and has never ever compromised herself. She is in a word totally inspiring and I hope will continue to do great things, if anything she has barely started in terms of potential. Perhaps by choice.

I don't see any of those qualities in Meghan. They are completely different people. Motivated by completely different things.

But they aren't colleagues, so the comparison doesn't apply Sheldon. They're with the same agency - an agency with hundreds of other people on their books presumably - so what? And they 'hoped to have a similar approach' well maybe but does that mean everything they do (if they actually get around to do anything productive) has to be compared to MO?

MO is a totally different personality to MM, she has had a lifetime of public service and political involvement so she's learned how to deal with people and as someone said earlier she was very aware that she would be scrutinised far more than a white woman and had to be careful not to show behaviours that would allow racists to say 'aggressive black woman' about her.

And you put your point across beautifully itsalonghaul

As did golightly

They are comparable in that they both have a fabulous opportunity to shine and do well in the world.

One has grabbed the ball and ran with it.

One has dropped it and wailed that the ball didn’t jump back into her hands.

And the same can be said for their husbands.

In a nutshell though?

Motivated by completely different things.

That.

It will take billions to maintain the lavish lifestyle they want for the next 40 odd years - and extend it to their kids. The Poor Me story only goes so far.

They are comparable in that they both have a fabulous opportunity to shine and do well in the world.

And so have many other wealthy people in positions of influence, of all colours and both sexes. Making false comparisons, based on the ethnicity of two people, is racist and I would have thought that was pretty obvious by 2021.

There's very few people who could stand comparison with MO, like itsalonghaul said she is special.

I am not scrutinising her because of colour. How could I?

I have not compared her to MO either.

I can compare their actions as women in the public eye and I can understand others doing so.

I didn't say you were @SheldonesqueIsUnwell, my original comment and reply was to the poster who made the comparison with MO. You picked up my comment so I answered you?

In the light of the Vogue Teen Editor and her teenage tweets plus a photo in the press today of her dressing up as a Native American, how will it go down with the USA public if the photos of Harry dressed up as a Nazi (aged 20?) were to be shown again?
The Teen Vogue Editor has apologised for her teen behaviour and has seen the error of her ways, as has Harry, but will he be treated differently??. Am genuinely interested to know how it would play in the USA press./fans of Meghan and Harry/possible business partners etc....

Vogue have also stood by their claim that using the word ‘niggling’ in a DM article about M was racist.

Ach im tired impatiens

I’m just bloody tired of everything being put to colour.

I’m tired of being treated differently.

If I act in a questionable manner then I expect it to be commented on. I don’t expect the colour of my skin to be brought to the party.

If I am compared to my colleague, I would hope that it isn’t because we are the same colour. I don’t think it is racist to compare us. And I don’t think the other poster was being racist which is why I commented.

I’ve been up for 35hours though so I am not putting my argument across well.

I’ve had too many years of things should be different in this day and age.

I think Harry and Meghan have acted terribly here. Nowt to do with colour. And with that I’ll go to bed.

Sorry if I’ve caused upset. Have a flower 🌻

Aww Sheldon, no need to explain. I've argued the same thing ironically - that people calling 'racist' every time anyone criticises MM are wrong and not helping the situation.

In this case I think the comment was racist which is why I picked it up.

Have a lovely sleep and thanks for the flower!

🌻😴

I'm also with you Sheldon.
The more people cry "racism" every time a POC is criticised for a character flaw, a selfish act, or whatever, the harder it is going to become to eliminate racism.

Meghan, Oprah, Michelle all have good or not so good character traits. But that has nothing to do with the colour of their skin, and saying it does makes the situation worse, not better.

You can think my comment is racist. I stand by it. As a black woman myself, I hugely admire MO because she understood the role she was given and how she could make a difference to girls that look like my daughter or me. The press viciously attacked MO in the US. Still, she understood her she could make a significant impact by rising above it and being laser-focused on her job.
MM did have an opportunity to be influential in a more subtle way than what she wants, but she wanted the RF to change immediately and give her the power she wanted straight away. She was impatient and selfish and gave up her potential hugely influential role. And she is still doing a lot of damage. That’s the consequence when one acts impulsively and in a self-serving manner.

I could not agree with you more fafa MM's influence could have eclipsed almost anyone if she had remained in the RF for a while longer, and given time made the changes she needed to see.

When she first came to the UK it was truly exciting, and when the wedding day arrived everyone LOVED her. We celebrated their wedding perhaps even more so than Kate and William. We absolutely loved Meghan as a nation.
When her father let her down and she walked down the aisle so independent, and radiating such beauty and intelligence. I really thought good on you girl, many of us have crappy families that let us down, and here we have a young woman with such courage to put it all to one side and marry the man she loves in front of the whole world. She was inspirational. A real force for good.

The opportunity to make a huge difference in the commonwealth, in the UK itself, the global horizons were literally limitless for her had she wanted to play her part in history properly. That is why I feel such despair when we see what has happened, and what has been lost.

Some of the things she stands for are much bigger than herself and her needs, and she just could not see it, and did not have the wisdom or to care enough for the little girls (and adults) that were watching, the huge influence she had was really something. That is why I really don't want this to end badly, because she was/is a role model even if she never truly understood the responsibility that comes with that.

I posted too soon. I meant to write that MM is getting a lot more criticism because she chose to go public. While black women don't have to behave impeccably any more than other people, I hugely admire black peope in the public eye that know their visibility is vital for people that look like them. They're trailblazers. For us, people of colour. It a huge ask, only the sturdier can take this on. MM was not cut for it and couldn't deal with the sacrifices, either for the public or for her family.

Well said, MrsFin And Itsalonghaul.

When she first came to the UK it was truly exciting, and when the wedding day arrived everyone LOVED her. We celebrated their wedding perhaps even more so than Kate and William. We absolutely loved Meghan as a nation

I do take issue with this. Not everyone loved them... even after the engagement there were countless threads on MN starting the criticism, one even titled 'I'm fucking sick of Meghan and Harry already' and 'How unfair on Catherine' (something to do with the date of the wedding) and and 'Meghan and Harry don't look right together' and 'I really don't like Meghan's style'
With equally horrible comments within the threads.

This started before they were married. And has never stopped.

Well lets never say never. Perhaps it is something she will be ready for further down the line. The flashy life she has chosen for now over a life of trailblazing global service may come to seem quite shallow in a few years time, when she realises the full impact of her decisions. You never know. I am not ready to write her off just yet. I don't more of the empty lectures about the climate etc, but being part of real change - doing something meaningful with your life.

Of course the glitz and glamour is fun for any young person, but what will it count for in a hundred years time?

The story I feel is far from over.

While I hold no torch for the Royal Family, I was one of those people in Windsor that day. We decided to walk in and just see how far we could get and had a lovely day. It really felt like a breath of fresh air, with real possibilities for the new couple.

The tabloid press did their usual horrible stuff. If anyone was surprised, after P Margaret, Anne, Diana, Sarah, Edward's Sophie, Kate in the Wait-y Katie days have all been through it.

I'm been impressed by the Obamas.

Can anyone imagine H&M saying 'when they go low, we go high'?

I was one of those who felt really excited and hopeful. It’s all turned to ashes.

While black women don't have to behave impeccably any more than other people, I hugely admire black peope in the public eye that know their visibility is vital for people that look like them. They're trailblazers. For us, people of colour. It a huge ask, only the sturdier can take this on. MM was not cut for it and couldn't deal with the sacrifices, either for the public or for her family.

Exactly! MM wasn't cut out for that role, she isn't the same personality at all as MO and she shouldn't have to be compared to her.

I am also 'of colour' and I really resent this idea that I have to 'represent' other people who look like me because I can only be myself. White people aren't asked to do that, poc shouldn't be either. It's a racist idea.

This is why it doesn’t make sense to bring up all the time that Meghan is black and anyone with an issue with her must be racist!

@GoLightlyontheEarth

This is why it doesn’t make sense to bring up all the time that Meghan is black and anyone with an issue with her must be racist!

Let The Deed Shaw