Harry has a lot to answer for.

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I think Harry has a lot to answer for in this whole debacle. He's a 35 year old man brought up as a Royal who should know how the whole thing works and how to ensure his wife is fully educated in the rules and regs. of being a Royal. She was his wife, why on earth was she going to HR at the Palace for help with mental health problems? Harry has loads of experience and the knowledge of where to get help, what on earth was he doing? Harry knows full well that there is a rule about not being given a royal title when it comes to Archie. Why didn't he explain this to Megan? It has absolutely nothing to do with Archie's skin colour. Why is Harry moaning about having their security removed given his father paid £4m for their security after the tax payer stopped paying after they moved to California?
It is not the Royal family's decision whither or not someone has The Metropolitan Police fly over to do security duties.
Prince William sorted the press out when they were making disparaging comments about Kate, why didn't he put his foot down as his brother did?

@Samcro

i am amazed at how fanatic posters who say they don't like Meghan are. you must spend ages reading and watching everything about her. odd behaviour for people who say they dislike someone.

I never see any of this stuff. but then I don't go looking.

I would say the same of those who zealously defend them except these days there are negative articles all over all forms of media about them so it’s hard to get away from it all.

@GoLightlyontheEarth

It sounds like you don’t know much about it from what you say, either. If you don’t read about it and follow it, you wouldn’t have a good overview would you?

ahh but I can see online bullying, that is easy. she has not done anything really bad, yet people are obsessed with ripping her apart.

its an open forum i can say people are odd. no rules broken.

Yes indeed. People are odd. That’s the whole point. M and H being very odd indeed. That’s why people find them fascinating and repellent at the same time.

I have to say, I find the posters who dissect MM's every breath, gesture and word in order to cricitise her far more fascinating and repellent. I always wonder what they get out of it? I would hate to indulge such negativity in myself.

treason hahaha very funny @Roussette although you raise an interesting point. Harry took an oath to the monarchy as a military officer and is also 6th in line. What was their chat show for if not to attempt to undermine the monarchy and the line of succession, including stating to the world directly that his father and brother are "trapped in the monarchy"? The chat show certainly wasn't to promote their good works.

All because his daddy stopped his pocket money and his wife discovered that real royal life isn't a Disney movie.

I hadn't given this a seconds thought before but it seems a fair argument for Parliament to remove him from the line of succession. There are long standing laws and rules about these things and they aren't decided by Twitter or the court of public opinion. the poor people of Sussex could probably do without the association to them right now also, I think they've suffered enough.

Apologies. I can't make the link work. But the Telegraph have unlocked their website for 24 hours so I guess you will just be able to log in.

Yes very odd self-centred pair. Watching someone's actions rather than listening to their words is pertinent in H&M's case.

Hypocritical posturing -v- "kindly" words of forgiveness and love.

Don't forget the dash of public blackmail for good measure
and follow-up announcement of "unproductive conversations"..

Very odd cocktail of mismatched messaging indeed.

Also H (known for racial slurs) deliberately misrepresenting royal protocol as racism. Odd is most certainly the word.

Michelle Obama will walk the walk and talk the talk - rings true. H&M there is a hollow tinny sound to their words as the actions do not match.

@GoLightlyontheEarth

Yes indeed. People are odd. That’s the whole point. M and H being very odd indeed. That’s why people find them fascinating and repellent at the same time.

Exactly, throw in some lockdown boredom and it becomes an intriguing story.

Harry used to be a really funny guy, you think of Harry that big smile and joking with Usain Bolt, where has that sense of fun gone?

If they'd just gone to Canada or the US, she was acting him feeding the chickens or whatever nobody would care.

But they've kept themselves in the spotlight despite saying they want privacy, actions louder than words.
It's intriguing to watch, will the business work, people leaving doesn't look good, how is Harry, funny Royal, military guy going to settle into business life?

Who's driving the decisions? It's just intriguing.

No other Royal couple together have opened themselves up to so much scrutiny, while they were together. Diana did as they split and she was feeling used.

I have to say, I find the posters who dissect MM's every breath, gesture and word in order to cricitise her far more fascinating and repellent. I always wonder what they get out of it? I would hate to indulge such negativity in myself.

And yet here you are, finding people repellent

Not indulging in negativity much are you dearie?

Yes, Lockdownbear, if they’d hunkered down in Canada everyone would have wished them well and that would have been that.

But starting off with that SussexRoyal nonsense and then the California move and topping it off with a tell-all (or some) Oprah interview.... are people really not expected to take any notice? Would they have been pleased if the Oprah interview had only attracted 27 viewers?

@Marmaladeagain this song from Spinal Tap also seems appropriate

As we’re nearing page 40, I would like to end this thread on a note of unity. The Danny Baker tweet just after Archie was born was disgusting and he deserved to be fired. The sad thing is that a) he says he didn’t realise it was racist which shows his unconscious bias and b) he was given a standing ovation on the first night of his Tour which shows how racist his fan base is. Shameful.

@Roussette

People absolutely have the right to discuss what they consider to be the wholesale desecration of the royal family, in an act, which is close to treason, without being told their behaviour is odd

So Harry is committing treason now is he?

That is laughable

Off with his head.

No one is talking about removing Harry’s head. Did you read redspecial’s comment?

ha ha! yes - the whole Spinal Tap is perfect for the H&M show - please someone make it.

I was originally thinking of the "too much fucking perspective" angle when at Elvis' grave would also ring true.

So many, it is a comedy film waiting to be written for sure!

Yes the irony of the hypocrites coming on to tell us we're negative.

How very negative of them, I'm surprised any of them have the time what with believing everything anyone and everyone ever says - that's a whole lot of conflicting information to process in life.

Remember, believe everything everyone says. That's sometimes about 10 versions of one event, but everyone is equally always 100% to be believed.

Others (us negative people) use critical thinking and their own judgement and strip out some element of a likely scenario.

completely agree diptyque, Baker deserved to be sacked. His pitiful excuses were dickless and pathetic.

Yes I think we can all agree Danny Baker was always promoted beyond his abilities and revealed a lot of his own prejudices with his tweet which left everyone dumbstruck with shock. The fact he tried to defend it is appalling, to try to justify his own lack of awareness is as revealing as his potential racist inner voice.

Although, back on track - Harry absolutely did the same when he revealed too much of his inner dialogue with his racial slurs.

No-one with an ounce of character would have agreed to call someone "p**i Dave" etc even if the person said it's fine: "I think it's funny" (as Harry claimed, with no hint of awareness of power imbalance at play even).

I have been deleted for saying what I think. So I will say I am deeply worried for Harry. I hope his family keeps the door wide open to him. And I wish for them a life of happiness, and I hope I am wrong.

Completely agree about Danny Baker comment - shocking .

Diptyque
I can totally agree with you there. And I think Danny Baker should have been more than fired. I absolutely do not believe he didn’t realise the photograph was racist and would like him to have been prosecuted for hate crime.

@HypocriteHunter

I have to say, I find the posters who dissect MM's every breath, gesture and word in order to cricitise her far more fascinating and repellent. I always wonder what they get out of it? I would hate to indulge such negativity in myself.

And yet here you are, finding people repellent

Not indulging in negativity much are you dearie?

Just using the same words back to hold up a mirror to their oddness - glad you noticed how extreme such an emotion is towards a stranger. That was rather the point, my dearest darling.

@Samcro

There is so much made up stuff on this thread now its like reading a fictional book.

Well it is more everyone trying to make sense of facts that are so baffling that seem to come from a "fictional book" too. The good, the bad and the ugly I guess, on both sides.

I think that's it exactly, people are trying to make sense of lots of contradictions, and statements that just don't make sense.

Then try and work out what the motivation is behind that.

Nobody wants to see a marriage fail, but many just can't see them lasting. This is only the second marriage I've ever predicted failing. I'm normally really shocked at divorce news.

itsalonghaul the RF completely understand the pressure of royal life, the conflict of not always wanting the job but being duty bound and so on. And they will be well used to this side of his personality in a way the public are only just discovering (thin skinned, quick temper, dramatic, bit thick).

There's plenty out there that suggests the family tried to advise H to slow down, not launch himself into being a full time working royal straight away, give his wife time to adjust before doing the same or even continue acting, and when they barrelled ahead with their grand plan to 'hit the ground running' gave them a really good team of staff to help and support them.

There's also plenty to suggest he never wanted royal life and she is the catalyst for him leaving, which makes all their choices from being working royals at all to going on Oprah seem so at odds. The door will always be open to him and the DC privately I think. If he wanted to not represent his monarch or country job done.