Harry has a lot to answer for.

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I think Harry has a lot to answer for in this whole debacle. He's a 35 year old man brought up as a Royal who should know how the whole thing works and how to ensure his wife is fully educated in the rules and regs. of being a Royal. She was his wife, why on earth was she going to HR at the Palace for help with mental health problems? Harry has loads of experience and the knowledge of where to get help, what on earth was he doing? Harry knows full well that there is a rule about not being given a royal title when it comes to Archie. Why didn't he explain this to Megan? It has absolutely nothing to do with Archie's skin colour. Why is Harry moaning about having their security removed given his father paid £4m for their security after the tax payer stopped paying after they moved to California?
It is not the Royal family's decision whither or not someone has The Metropolitan Police fly over to do security duties.
Prince William sorted the press out when they were making disparaging comments about Kate, why didn't he put his foot down as his brother did?

I have always really liked Meghan.

Harry I have mixed feelings about. On the one hand, I feel incredibly sorry for him that he's had one hell of a life. He is however one of the most privileged people in existence. White, hugely wealthy man, who grew up with servants and access to any school he wanted. Obviously, this comes with lack of freedom.

I like how he speaks up for Meghan and I think he 100% made the right choice in stepping back and moving away from the UK.

I struggle to forget the time he dressed as a Nazi and when he used racist language to friends in the army. I know it was meant to be 'banter' and the friend who was from a BAME group, said he wasn't offended...but nobobody knows if that's because Harry was a white, privileged male PRINCE of Britain. Was the friend really in a position to complain?

Anyway, he says he is an anti racist now, which is great, but at one point he was an extremely privileged white man who did some very racist things that most people wouldn't do.

I also think he is punching above his weight with Meghan in terms of strength, intellect, personality, education..I could go on. But I do think he knows this and is grateful that she truly seems to adore him.

What happened to his mum is heartbreaking and how it was handled too. But...i know a woman whose toddler died in a tragic accident. She was given a week off work to overcome her grief. That was it. I can't help thinking, yes, so awful what happened to him, but ordinary people get minimal sympathy and help in times of bereavement. I'm glad he is speaking out though, as hopefully changes might come about now.

So, very mixed feelings!

Strength of character I mean! Not physical strength.

I can see where you are coming from Hummus, but my point is that he has really failed Megan by not preparing her and not put a stop to this tittle tattle and seems to have 'encouraged' her thinking that they have been hard done by re security and Archie's title. He knows full well why that is. He his ruining the UK's reputation as a multi cultural nation who welcomed Megan with open arms and were so pleased to see her, I really thought it was fantastic and thought she would be a breath of fresh air. More fool me.

Harry and meghan are the 21st century Duke and duchess of Windsor.
How painful for the queen, what dreadful memories are being dragged up?
The DandDofW were a ln embarrassment for the RF from 1936 until their deaths.
They were even involved in a highly suspicious murder case whilst the DofW was Governor of the Bahamas.
Of course they are mostly remembered for being Nazi sympathisers and being very friendly with the Moseleys who they lived close to in Paris.
Makes Harry dressing up as a Nazi even more horrific imo.
My guess is that Harry and meghan will keep complaining (not about the queen obviously who is very elderly and very very very rich...) about how badly they are being treated (a la DabdDofW) and try and redeem themselves in the public eye.
Whether they will be successful is debatable.
They are just...pointless. media celebs with vacuous soundbites.
Vive le republique!!!! 😁

I can’t believe that she did not know what a goldfish bowl being a member of the Royal Family could be.

I really find it hard to believe that she didn’t know who Harry was.

I really don’t believe that she was not aware of how critical the press could be - Diana, Kate, Fergie and Camilla got the sharp pokes on many, many occasions.

Did they really think that she was so different and could escape that? What did they think would make her immune?

He should have prepared her for life inside the palace. He should have got her help when she was struggling with mental health.

But most of all he should have shut his mouth about his family.

This should have been dealt with in private from the get go.

I don’t know who is egging on who. But they’ve over egged their pudding.

Well said SheldonesquelsUnwell.

Wasn’t Kate given lessons on protocol when she entered the family?

I all just sounds like fibs on fibs and I think she thinks she’s telling the truth.

Mental health- sure true, and very sad.
Press- hideous.

She seems like a person who cannot fathom people not loving her. She’s nice. She’s pleasant. She’s worthy. But she’s unaware of the wider picture, and she doesn’t seem to have many critical thinking skills.

Also Harry seems like a bell end.

I hear you OP. One thing for me is to my surprise I didn't think Harry came across very well in the interview. From memory I think he said he was too embarrased to get help for Meghan? Given he is a patron of a mental health charity I am a bit suprised about his comment. re Meghan and the HR department, I think its one of those cultural things - Americans automatically think mental health = stay in a mental health institution. But I don't get why someone didn't get Meghan one to one help if she was calling out for help. Harry has had therapy before so surely he has some contacts?
To me I think another surprise was how niave Harry and Meghan are an unconnected to real life. Especially not considering how the British tax payers feel! They thought it was sweet they had their real wedding a few days before the public wedding. As a tax payer I feel dupted we spent millions on a fake wedding. Plus Meghan doesn't seem to grasp that the British tax payers pay for security...and not all of us want to fund British agents living overseas because Harry and her want to go back to her home country.

Completely agree op.

I get the impression that Megan though marrying into the royal family would be becoming a mega celebrity, able to party on yachts and accept designer clothes and jewels, to snap your fingers and get what ever you want when ever you like Beyoncé or Oprah.
What she got was an organisation based on tradition, being neutral eg not having strong opinions about politics or global events, a hierarchy of importance and a stiff British upper lip that don’t complain. Now I’m not saying that the royal family is a beacon of hope nor an example of a healthy fully functioning family but it’s no secret what they are like. I agree that Harry should have spelt it out very clearly.
Maybe he did and Megan thought well I’ll just do what I want anyway, maybe he didn’t as he wanted to trap her first.
I actually don’t disagree with thier decision to step away from the royal family BUT it has come across as hugely hypocritical- they want to step away to get some privacy, they can’t cope with the press intrusion, they don’t want any photos of Archie out there, they want to make it own thier own.
They now have made it clear that actually they still wanted the money and the security that came with the job of being royal, they are happy to air all of their dirty laundry to the press, release videos and photos of Archie in order to further their own agenda and create the most unprivate furore around themselves as possible!!!
If they had sloped off to Canada, done some charity work, maybe invested in a production company where they could produce things that aligned with thier values, etc etc then I think people wouldn’t have turned on them so much.

The whole thing is very off in my opinion. First, Harry could have had his pick of many many women- and his choice of Meghan seems odd to me.. I know there is a chance he could really just be in love with her. I see it more as he made a mistake, got in deep, and he is a deeply honorable person and standing by her. I just dont see their relationship as that great. As for Meghan, I am sorry she has been having such troubles and I dont want to bash her. It just seems to me she has a lot of issues- I dont blame her, we all have a lot of issues-. She seems to have the dad and step sister who are always putting her down, perhaps the family she grew up in did not teach her much self love. And so she clearly does not have a strong sense of self worth. I say this only with compassion and understanding - not blame . But Harry, he had his own very big trauma with losing his Mom which is so sad. But he was raised with love and respect and has a strong sense of self. And I think he is a really good man. And he saw Meghan was struggling and wanted to help her by leaving but he is clearly wrecked about it. And had he chosen someone who understood his life better and was actually happy to be joining that world, as many many people would have been, and started a family with someone who he was more aligned with, I think it would have been a lot easier for him. And yes I do feel sympathy for Meghan but at the same time she chose to marry him and may have thought about it more before going forward about what it would do to their lives.

Luckily he doesn't have to answer to you and your why why why's

I think Harry was immediately smitten and having had two long term girlfriends walk away- after realising the immense personal scrutiny being his partner involved - and desperately wanting someone and a family for himself he didn't want to lose Megan.
Equally she's in her 30s .Done a lot already career wise and personally ie been married,had 20 years of upward trajectory in acting and building her profile. She is all about empowerment and sees herself as strong and in her own words a 'rescuer'.And I think she knew far more about Harry and the RF than she admits. Not the absolute protocols. But by her own admission in the interview she was already friends with Beatrice and Eugene.
In their own way I think they rushed on.I think William was genuinely concerned when he cautioned him to take his time and from that moment Harry has taken the hump with him Typical sibling dislike of being 'told' what to do in Harry's perception.
I still can't comprehend why she didn't introduce Harry to her dad at least once.Even if she was no longer close to him.And how toxic was he really in her past if her blogs in the Tig had been so loving and warm only a few years earlier?I think both of them failed to point out the negatives about their families adequately. But with Harry even more so because it's inextricably linked to the 'Firm's side of being a RF member

Either way it's pretty sad.But on balance after watching the interview yes I feel Harry has landed them in this predicament in the main.And now they continue to attract huge attention, a lot negative which neither of them can stand.And really given there is a pandemic and it's been a dreadful year for so many they have to accept responsibility for inflaming the situation, and risk to their family, by doing James Corden and Oprah at this particular time Or any time tbh.

I agree she didnt realised she had married the "spare" and what exactly that means.
Perhaps Harry isnt that intelligent.
or he didnt want to lose her

I don't think Harry did all of those things because he's most definitely under the thumb. He's obviously barking to her tune at the moment. I think he's being pathetic and she's taking full advantage of her title in America.

interesting that he was only on at the end of the Oprah show

at some celebration when they were all on boats on the thames, the officials told them what to do, the camera showed a glimpse of Kate asking what to do and their reaction was less than pleasant. Meghan did not realise that was how things are and did not like how things are.

Archie HAS got a title - as eldest son of the Duke of Sussex he is Earl of Dumbarton. If you remember we were told they decided not to take it. That he would be plain master Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor. Were they hanging on for an H.R.H Prince etc? His sister will be Lady (name) Sussex.

My family is all mixed race and I'm sorry I call bullshit on this interview. There is just so much that is contrived and completely made up, I don't know how she thinks she can get away with it! With raw cheek I think. Its all poor little me and everyone was mean to me.
I think she realised a life of selfless duty in a goldfish bowl would be unbearable and freaked out. Wanted everything on her terms whether she could have it or not.
If she's a self made millionaire I cannot believe she could have been quite so naive.
Harry is just basically fucked up and being led about by the nose.

I don't care at all for the monarchy and I'm not in the slightest bit surprised by the claims of racism and not caring about her mental health. It's really not a stretch of the imagination at all to believe those claims.

I think they crossed a line though. Harry has totally thrown his family under the bus and you just don't do that unless they have done something totally unforgivable which i don't believe in his eyes they have because i think he spoke about wanting to mend his relationship with his dad. They also spoke highly of the Queen. So why do it? What was the point? And to do it in such a sensationalist way in a different country. I also think they've shot themselves a bit in the foot with the talk of Archie's title. It's not true he should have been titled Prince. That makes them look like fools or liars or both.

I've not seen the interview but I've read a lot about it. Somewhere it said that harry said William is trapped? Something to that effect anyway. Again, what was to be gained by that comment? He's entitled to talk about him self feeling trapped but not to speak on behalf of his brother.

I feel sorry for them. It smacks of desperation and as a result Harry will never have the same relationship with his family again and one day he might regret it.

LilacGarden you are spectacularly missing the point. You can be as keen as can be... that doesn’t make you in any way shape or form ready for what the reality of royal life will be like.

What I took from their interview, was that it was the staff at the palace who were the most problematic, and I don’t really see how there’s much chance of knowing what that’s going to be like until you’re there and you’re living it.

They said they wanted less senior roles, they got completely cut off financially.

Whole thing sounds horribly toxic and I think they did the right thing in getting out. Shame they felt the need to speak to the media, but, who can blame them? With a press as vitriolic as the British tabloids, I don’t see anything wrong with Harry and Meghan wanting to put their version across.

@DeeCeeCherry

Luckily he doesn't have to answer to you and your why why why's

Don’t think luck had anything to do with it, all blame and responsibility has been placed elsewhere.

I agree with you.... I do think ‘the truth’ probably lies somewhere in between H&M account and ‘the palace recollections’.... but Harry is definitely an adult and should have had some awareness of how M was feeling, and how to access help. Also not sure how great it will be for Archie to see the Oprah interview when he’s older? Surely they should have considered the potential future impact on him, (and his sister to be) before going so public?

The royal family made sure they had hand picked staff Americans and Aussies where in the mix. So the old adage that it's the stuffy staff, I don't think rings true.
So you agree in them doing that interview LittleBlue! But what about the fact that the Royal Family can't make comment and that so much of it was just her perception of what was said much of which can be fact checked.
Yes they should speak out about the press, that's fine but giving us a 'he said she said ' narrative where the other side can't react is very poor.
The suggestion that someone in the family questioned the baby's skin colour has rocked Britain's standing in the world, the US now think we are all racists and there are murmurings from Commonwealth countries wanting to distance themselves from the UK. All of this is completely OTT but of course these entitled people have a right to say what they like!!!

The suggestion that someone in the family questioned the baby's skin colour has rocked Britain's standing in the world, the US now think we are all racists

There is a racist history here and particularly amongst the royal family historically, and more recently with Harry and his Nazi uniform.

I think it's a little dramatic to say "the US thinks we are all racists". That isn't true at all. There is a problem with racism here, so people, (be they in commonwealth countries, the US, or anywhere else), saying that are correct.

Denying that is a big problem. It comes across as if you are upset about potentially being called racist, and getting yourself panicked about that, more so than you are panicked about the racism itself! That is not rational. Sorry to be harsh, but this is not a moment to go off on one about maybe being called racist by a stranger in another country. Worry about the actual racism, which most people acknowledge is a problem in the UK.

When George Floyd was murdered by a police officer, did you think, "all Americans are racist", or did you think, "there is a big problem with racism in the states and it has to stop"?