Breeding from my dog

Ethel1000 · 2020-10-05T11:58:16+00:00

I have a 3 1/2 year old springer and mated her with another springer. She was rejected to be KC registered due to her mum being too old. Not mine at the time. If I have all other information re pure breed will this negate any future pup being KC registered? Thanks in advance.

fivedogstofeed · 05/10/2020 13:21

If your dog is not KC registered then her pups can't be.

katmarie · 05/10/2020 13:34

What is it you want to do with the puppies? Sell them I assume? If the mum can't be KC registered, then neither can the pups, the age issue with your dogs mum breaches the KC ethical guidelines, so they wouldn't want to endorse any product of that breach. So that will likely affect the value of the puppies of your dog. You can still sell them, assuming you've met any other guidelines around breeding and selling puppies (our local council has ethical breeding guidelines anyone selling puppies is supposed to adhere to). And you can provide all of the other info you have on their breed history. But whoever you sell them to will have to be made aware that they cannot be KC registered, and that is likely to impact on how much people will pay.

vanillandhoney · 05/10/2020 14:32

The pups can't be KC registered as their mum isn't registered. Nothing you do can change that.

Why on earth did you decide to breed from her?!

SBTLove · 05/10/2020 14:34

You can’t be this daft? Parents need to be KC registered, no need to breed fgs, rescues are overrun with dogs including spaniels 🙄

Stellaris22 · 05/10/2020 14:42

Why are you asking this AFTER breeding her?

Stellaris22 · 05/10/2020 14:43

I'm not fussed about KC endorsements, but are the sires health tested?

PrayingandHoping · 05/10/2020 14:50

And was she health tested too? There's quite a few for a springer....

And no.... u def can't get the pups if reg if she's wasn't (exactly how old was her mum!?)

mummabubs · 05/10/2020 14:51

As others have said, pups won't be able to be KC registered which may be off-putting for families. I'd gently echo what another poster has said around why this wasn't considered before you decided to breed the dog, I'm guessing this is your first litter?

Shambolical1 · 05/10/2020 16:23

@vanillaandhoney

££££ I expect. Covid puppy demand!
Or
'It will be nice for the kids to see it'
Or
'She should have a litter before she's spayed'

The usual bollo.

Heaps of research done beforehand obviously.

Paranoidmarvin · 05/10/2020 17:18

Didnt u research all of this before u started. I’m sorry. I’m open minded about these things. But breeding is not something you go into lightly. I have known a perfectly healthy young dog die while giving birth. Why did u think it would be a good idea to do this with an older dog ? I’m sorry. That is entirely selfish of u.

MidnightFlit · 05/10/2020 17:21

Your dog wasn't 'rejected' by the KC - the cynical breeder who risked the health of an older dog knew they were breaking KC breeding regs so wouldn't even have tried registering the litter.

Original poster

Ethel1000 · 05/10/2020 22:53

Thank you for all your comments. No I am not daft, but wanted her to have a litter of pups, she was health checked by the vet prior to the dog visit. I have already got homes for up to 4/5 pups as she is an amazing pet, and don’t intend to make a huge profit. I am no breeder, and don’t intend her to have any more pups. The sire was a young springer also checked.

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ArcherDog · 05/10/2020 22:58

@Ethel1000

Thank you for all your comments. No I am not daft, but wanted her to have a litter of pups, she was health checked by the vet prior to the dog visit. I have already got homes for up to 4/5 pups as she is an amazing pet, and don’t intend to make a huge profit. I am no breeder, and don’t intend her to have any more pups. The sire was a young springer also checked.

Oh dear God 🙄

If she is such an ‘amazing pet’ why would you want to risk her health and temperament by forcing her to have a litter?

You are honestly one of the worst sort of breeders.
No hip eye or elbows tests.
No KC paperwork.
Just did it ‘because’.

SBTLove · 05/10/2020 23:28

Heath checked? as in a once over by the vet?
I work in rescue and ppl like you infuriate me, your dog doesn’t need or want to have puppies,unless you were planning on keeping them all or rehoming through a rescue then it’s for money, nobody just breeds for fun.
So yes you’re a selfish idiot.

shitinmyhandsandclap · 06/10/2020 07:22

Another idiot risking a poor dog's life so they can make money, without a thought for the dog or her puppies' health. You're no better than a puppy farm, it's just about the money

Clymene · 06/10/2020 07:27

Why do you want her to have a litter?

Skyliner001 · 06/10/2020 07:29

"I just wanted her to have a litter of pups…" ...

Translation: "I just wanted to have a litter of pups".

Be honest.

wetotter · 06/10/2020 07:29

Do remember to inform your insurers, and expect to pay an additional premium

If it is only going to be this one litter, then you do not need to r foster with the council (that kicks in at 3 litters) but it is of course in the animal's interest that you adhere to the legal minimum standards for breeders, and ideally exceed them by quite some margin

wetotter · 06/10/2020 07:30

Sorry, that should be *register with the council

thecapitalsunited · 06/10/2020 07:32

Health checks don’t mean checked by the vet they mean blood tests and x rays to make sure she doesn’t have any conditions that can be passed on. Many breeds have tests that are required for KC registration. Mandatory tests for springers are two eye tests and two DNA tests. Another DNA test and hip screening are recommended as is an inbreeding calculation.

Responsible breeders want to further the breed and remove identified health issues not breed willynilly.

Veterinari · 06/10/2020 07:33

@Ethel1000

Thank you for all your comments. No I am not daft, but wanted her to have a litter of pups, she was health checked by the vet prior to the dog visit. I have already got homes for up to 4/5 pups as she is an amazing pet, and don’t intend to make a huge profit. I am no breeder, and don’t intend her to have any more pups. The sire was a young springer also checked.

So she hasn't be health tested then? A vet check is not proper health testing and you have no idea if genetically she or the sire will pass problems on to the pups. Why did you want her to have a litter? What possible benefit?

Be honest this isn't about doing anything for her. It's about doing something for yourself and making money. If you were interested in breeding properly and ensuring you had healthy pups you'd have done it properly.
This is backyard breeding for profit. Don't dress it up as 'for her benefit'. It isn't.

vanillandhoney · 06/10/2020 07:37

@Ethel1000

Thank you for all your comments. No I am not daft, but wanted her to have a litter of pups, she was health checked by the vet prior to the dog visit. I have already got homes for up to 4/5 pups as she is an amazing pet, and don’t intend to make a huge profit. I am no breeder, and don’t intend her to have any more pups. The sire was a young springer also checked.

Well, you say you're not daft but you're post says otherwise!

The dam isn't KC registered, and you don't
say whether the sire is either.
Neither the dam or the sire have had any relevant health tests (a once over by a vet doesn't count).
You "just wanted her to have a litter" ignoring all the potential risks to her health and temperament in the process.

Face it - you wanted to have some cute puppies but couldn't be arsed to do your research. So there'll be yet another litter of pups out there who have potentially come from very unhealthy parents and who have come from a breeder who has no idea what they're doing. Just what we all need!

fivedogstofeed · 06/10/2020 09:20

People buy puppies like this every day of the week - no health tests on the parents, no microchip, no parasite treatment, no vaccinations - OP will have no trouble selling her non KC registered pups as as so many people really don't care about any of this.

Ka-ching.

Shambolical1 · 06/10/2020 09:29

Apart from the health and welfare issues this whole process raises that others have mentioned here - and that ought to be enough to stop you, if you cared:

Your pet insurance - if you have any - won't cover your bitch for anything pregnancy or whelping related. Or the pups.

Some of your 4/5 prospective homes will go cold on you once the pups actually exist (all those allergic children! Those job changes! Those landlords who won't allow pets!), especially as these pups are going to be landing at the most expensive, coldest, darkest, hardest-to-house train time of the year. Around Christmas... In a pandemic.

Raising pups is messy, noisy, smelly, time consuming, expensive, risky, may change your 'amazing pet's' temperament permanently and in this case it's totally unnecessary. They will be with you for a minimum of eight weeks while you trot backwards and forwards to the vet for worming meds, microchipping and if they stay longer than the minimum you'll be looking at vaccinations too. They may have complex genetic disorders you have no way of knowing about because you haven't tested for them.

Good plan, OP. Good plan. Especially now.

There's a thing called misalliance treatment. You should look into that. Then get the bitch spayed.

TeensArghhh · 06/10/2020 09:41

Why did you want your dog to have a litter? Do you intend on keeping some of the pups or are you going to take them all from her? Do you have pet insurance to ensure your dog has the best healthcare during her pregnancy and afterwards?

How much money will you make by selling the litter? 🤔