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Breeding from my dog

204 replies

Ethel1000 · 05/10/2020 12:58

I have a 3 1/2 year old springer and mated her with another springer. She was rejected to be KC registered due to her mum being too old. Not mine at the time. If I have all other information re pure breed will this negate any future pup being KC registered?
Thanks in advance.

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SBTLove · 06/10/2020 18:01

People in the U.K. are woefully ignorant of the massive overbreeding here.
Local pounds are only obliged by law to hold a dog for 7 days and if unclaimed they can be PTS, there are many who work with rescues but the spaces are limited.
There’s more to rescue then the cute Dogs Trust ads, there are 100s of small independent rescues struggling by on little funds and often with the most difficult or unwell dogs.
Rescues have guidelines to try and find good homes and to stop dogs being returned, if you genuinely want to rescue you will find the right rescue and dog for you.
If you stop buying puppies the greeders market shrinks.
I’d would like if all breeding was stopped for a good few years until the population reduces.

Chocolatedeficitdisorder · 06/10/2020 18:09

When I become PM I'm going to make it law that all pups must chipped with the NI number of their breeder. If the pup is ever homeless they must take it back or the pay for it's kenneling and health care until a new home is found. If they don't pay it will be taken from their income by salary/benefit attachment.

Maybe people will think more carefully about breeding if they're responsible for the dog for it's whole life.

AlternativePerspective · 06/10/2020 18:48

most importantly the breeder put a restriction on our bitch which states that she couldn’t be bred until she was at least 2 years old and the breeder had to agree to choice of sire, to compliment her bloodlines Tbh this isn’t really worth the paper it’s written on as there’s nothing the breeder can actually do to prevent it, and unscrupulous breeders won’t care if the pups are KC registered because most people don’t care if the pups are KC registered...

But when I rule the world it will be illegal to profit from the sale of animals. The law will be that you will only be allowed to add in the cost of any complications, for which you will have to provide proof to the prospective buyers before you put a £££ price tag on the puppies.

Smallsteps88 · 06/10/2020 18:52

@Chocolatedeficitdisorder

When I become PM I'm going to make it law that all pups must chipped with the NI number of their breeder. If the pup is ever homeless they must take it back or the pay for it's kenneling and health care until a new home is found. If they don't pay it will be taken from their income by salary/benefit attachment.

Maybe people will think more carefully about breeding if they're responsible for the dog for it's whole life.

Love this!
fivedogstofeed · 06/10/2020 19:53

@Chocolatedeficitdisorder I'll vote for you Grin

The complete lack of responsibility is at the root of the problem. Microchipping has been the law for years but I've yet to hear of anyone being prosecuted for either selling or being in possession of an unmicrochipped dog. All the unwanted dogs today were bred by someone, and were once someone's puppy.

Namechange30000000 · 06/10/2020 22:45

Funny you fancied breeding them when prices for them have tripled Hmm.

Ethel1000 · 06/10/2020 23:19

I wouldn’t say I am the worst sort of breeder, I am not a breeder. I have had dogs all my life as pets. I thought long and hard about letting her have pups. If she wasn’t receptive I would not have allowed it, secondly I wouldn’t allow her to go to the Male dog but they came here. I wish I was money oriented but alas I am not. My friend wants one, I will keep one, my niece wants one and my other friend who has an elderly dog wants one. If she has any more I will sell them. Not at all costs but ensure they go to a good home and will make as many checks as possible.
I appreciate your comments re KC REGISTERED but pontification when you comment on my one question.
I read about breeders who breed none stop and my one question has brought really nasty comments. Sleep easy, I will, I know me and accept she will not be KC registered. I did not breed an old dog, I got the pup,
Goodnight

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Smallsteps88 · 06/10/2020 23:22

I am not a breeder.

So you haven’t mated your dog with the intention of impregnating her? Confused is your OP hypothetical?

Medievalist · 06/10/2020 23:26

I thought long and hard about letting her have pups.

But why did your think it would be a good idea? What are the benefits to your dog?

Soubriquet · 07/10/2020 02:03

Your dog is having puppies

You are a breeder Hmm

Anordinarymum · 07/10/2020 02:25

Oh dear.

When my doggie died I wanted a companion for my other little dog as I did not want him to be lonely. I did not want a puppy, so I looked for a dog that was about a year old.
I saw an advert for a pug advertised as 12 months old and arranged to go and see her. The woman sounded nice on the phone. She said they both worked full time and could not look after her properly and wanted her to go to a good home.

When I got there, the dog was in a cage in their kitchen. They took her out of the cage and she ran out into the garden. She had teats hanging down. I asked them if she had had a litter and they said yes but only one. The man showed me one of the pups. It was a pug.

She was not a pug. She was a cross. I knew instantly. A full pug is either fawn or black. She is ginger. They told me they bought her from a breeder and was sold to them as a pug but they had no papers
They wanted rid of her because she had the puppies by section and they could not breed from her, not the reason she gave me on the 'phone.

Disgusting people.

I took her off them. She had not been exercised and her claws were like talons.

i took her to my vet who said she was older than a year and it looked to him like she had had three litters. She was a breeding machine for those bastards.

When I took her for a walk she had never seen other dogs and was very excited and jumpy for ages.

She is the nicest dog you could ever meet and now has a lovely life.

So many dogs being bred without papers and so many sad stories and not all of them have happy endings

Stellaris22 · 07/10/2020 08:09

Who the pups are for is (almost) irrelevant, you have still mated your dog and are producing puppies without the health testing needed for your breed on either of the sires. A once over at the vets is not enough.

DrGachet · 07/10/2020 08:10

When I become PM I'm going to make it law that all pups must chipped with the NI number of their breeder.

Yes!

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 07/10/2020 08:12

For animal lovers you are quite a nasty bunch
While I agree with some of the comments on this thread about thinking hard before breeding, I also agree with this. There can be so much vitriol on this board, and it doesn't help anyone.

I find it endlessly baffling that a board which is always very pro purely positive training (and will bollock anyone who suggest using corrections with a slip-lead for heel training, for example) is also so often into serious verbal punishment rather than persuasion for anyone who doesn't tick various boxes.

If punishment apparently doesn't work for dogs, why is it going to work on human beings?

Ethel1000 · 07/10/2020 08:13

The first time in 57 years, I have bred my dog other than my mums dog back in 1980, whereby she got out and wouldn’t come back, she had 10 cross breeds which would now probably be called German shepherdador. I hand fed three and every pup survived and went to good homes, my dog does not live in a cage, nor will she have any more pups. My only guilt is having little knowledge of the Kennel Club. It is not the panacea but ensuring your dog is healthy cared for, part of the family are my priorities.

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PrayingandHoping · 07/10/2020 08:19

But have has your dog and the sire been fully health tested as per recommendations on the iv website? Or just been given a once over by the vet which is not remotely the same.

That is what a responsible breeder does to ensure the best future for the puppies

Medievalist · 07/10/2020 08:39

If this isn't a money making exercise why are you concerned about KC registration?

And I repeat, if you thought 'long and hard' about it, why did you think it would be a good idea?

BiteyShark · 07/10/2020 08:42

I went to look at puppies from a breeder very much in your position e.g. fancied breeding their pet spaniel.

Their face was totally blank when I asked if the mum and dad had been tested for PRA, FN etc so walked away. Please do look these conditions up as they are recessive genes so you would only know if the pups would be free from them if either parents didn't carry the gene. I found a home breeder that did carry out the DNA tests and obviously went with them instead.

PollyRoulson · 07/10/2020 08:55

I dont think the vitirol helps anyone at all.

Unfortunately there are still a lot of people who are unaware of health testing and so still willing to buy puppies that have had no health checks. Maybe they are as much to blame as the breeders as they are fufilling a demand in the market.

Education needs to be increased in this area and an aggressive emotive thread does not do but frightens people off from asking questions. We need to keep talking, educating and advising people on this issue and not close off the conversation with aggression.

mellongoose · 07/10/2020 09:16

Slightly off topic, but I'm more disgusted at how expensive puppies still are. Ive been in touch with a KC breeder this week who still wants near on £2k for a popular working breed.

I offered £1k after we had chatted about how active and suitable our home is. She hasn't called back. This time lady year such a puppy would cost £750.

I refuse to pay silly money.

KC breeders have a responsibility to reduce their prices to stop this boom in breeding.

bodgeitandscarper · 07/10/2020 09:29

You bred your bitch, whether as a one off or not of course it makes you a breeder! I would have hoped that after 57 years with dogs you would have had more knowledge and awareness of the many issues tbh. You may sleep well at night, but those picking up the pieces from overbreeding often won't.

Smallsteps88 · 07/10/2020 09:59

It is not the panacea but ensuring your dog is healthy

You haven’t even done this bare minimum requirement.

fivedogstofeed · 07/10/2020 10:24

People seem to believe that saying "I'm not a breeder" or " it's just one litter" lets them off the hook - no health tests, no puppy contract, no microchip, no fucks given.

TherapyClient · 07/10/2020 11:08

Out of interest, how does breeding change a dog's personality?

TherapyClient · 07/10/2020 11:08

Like, I mean, permanently, as has been suggested by a few people here.