Breeding from my dog

[Ethel1000]

I have a 3 1/2 year old springer and mated her with another springer. She was rejected to be KC registered due to her mum being too old. Not mine at the time. If I have all other information re pure breed will this negate any future pup being KC registered?
Thanks in advance.

I think piling on a relatively responsible (not a puppy farmer) owner, who asked for advice is unhelpful.
Wouldn't it be better to give clear and helpful advice to ensure the puppies go to good homes?

In what way has the OP been responsible @1starwars2 ?

Don't worry about her getting homes for the pups. Demand right now is unprecedented and I'd be surprised if she hasn't already had a few enquiries by pm due to this post.

Ka-ching

In what way is her life improved by you wanting her to have a litter?

fivedogstofeed
She has sought veterinary care, she has an interest in the pups welfare.
I support discouraging breeding but the pile on is deeply unhelpful.
You are right there will be lots of people seeking puppies, but she shouldn't be handing them out to the biggest cheque book.
Meeting whole family, looking into their living accommodation etc.
Can you get a vet reference? Our local rescue asks for one before you adopt.

But @1starwars2 the OPs post was actually about how to get around KC rules and get her pups registered....
I'm not seeing anything responsible in what she's done, but know she'll have no problem selling the pups as this goes on every day of the week.

Owners like you are utterly disgusting. Greedy and stupid. At best.

Any idea how to whelp a litter? Can guarantee your dog is going to be petrified aswell and you're not going to be able to comfort her no matter how much you 'love' her.

The fact you think given the once over by a vet constitutes being health tested, speaks volumes.

Got funds to pay for an emergency cesarean? Loose all the puppies and still have a steaming vet bill at the end of it. Loose your bitch and have to hand rear 5+ pups without aspirating them every 2 hours or loose them all. Thats the risk youve taken

@1starwars2

There is nothing "responsible" about this breeding. At any point.

"Breeders" like this are just as culpable and cynical as the puppy farmers.

Please don't condone a lamentable situation which really needs to stop.

The Covid driven dog sales bubble will burst soon and it will be a worse world than ever for dogs.

Oh my gosh. Really. You wanted her to have one ? I’m stunned. Let me tell you about one dog I know that died in the table and was perfectly fine. And another that got an infection while pregnant and died and we lost the puppies and the dog.
I’m always stunned that people think just wanting them to have puppies is a good excuse.

Do you really think your dog wanted to have puppies to then have them all removed from her? Let's face it and just be honest op, you want the cold hard cash don't you. Honestly people like you make me sick.

OP, how can you be sure the mother was rejected due to age and not a health condition?

It's too late now but you need to be ultra cautious who you sell to.

I am no breeder, and don’t intend her to have any more pups.

Of course you are a breeder. You’ve just bred your dog. That makes you a breeder. What you mean is you aren’t a well informed, breed centric, ethical breeder. You’re the other sort.

Eurgh you are a disgrace.

You say you don't intend to make much profit, but breeding a dog properly is expensive, if things go wrong you risk huge vet bills along with the loss of your dog and/or puppies.
I cant stand people breeding 'just because'. Take a look at all the unwanted animals in rescues, because you are just contributing to the issue. One poor dog was highlighted the other day as being handed in as an eight month old puppy, it is still in the kennels eleven years later.

I would hope you are doing proper home checks and puppy packs, as well as giving advice to potential owners on neutering their animals and not just selling to anyone who shows an interest!

@1starwars2

I think piling on a relatively responsible (not a puppy farmer) owner, who asked for advice is unhelpful. Wouldn't it be better to give clear and helpful advice to ensure the puppies go to good homes?

But she hasn't done anything responsible here, so why should people support her?

Lots of people on here work in rescues or with animals and see the side effects of poor breeding everyday. It's not a case of just finding the puppies good homes - dogs who are poorly bred often have lifelong behavioural and socialisation issues.

I'm a walker and see it everyday. Dogs that are reactive because they came from poorly bred, unsocialised parents. Dogs with health issues because nobody bothered to do any health tests. Dogs with dysplasia or arthritis at age two because nobody bothered checked the hip or elbow scores of the dams and sires.

Owners who breed their dogs "because I felt like it" are part of that problem. OP admits that her dog isn't KC registered due to the age of her dog's dam. Not a good start. On top of that, neither the dam or sire have been health tested (hip, elbows and eyes at the very minimum).

However, I'm sure the puppies will be healthy and OP will therefore be able to defend her behaviour because "well, the pups were fine", totally ignoring all the risks and problems that come with backyard breeding.

Is it possible to go for an abort/spay? (I know you can with pg cats)

Having a litter of puppies will not benefit your dog in any way OP.

One poor dog was highlighted the other day as being handed in as an eight month old puppy, it is still in the kennels eleven years later.

Jesus, that is heartbreaking! that dog has been in prison it’s entire life. The poor thing.

People buy cute puppies because their 6 year old dc want one. After the pup has been dragged around by dc, screamed at for crapping on the carpet, left alone all day whilst everyone goes to work/school (and screamed at again for being “naughty”) then starts mouthing and “biting”🙄 the kids, the puppy is shoved to a rescue to be someone else’s problem.

Do you have anything written in your contract stating you will take the puppies back if their new families don’t work out OP?

There is nothing responsible in breeding your family pet just because you want to!

Personally I think anthropomorphic pet owners who think their dog or cat “wants” a litter in the same way as humans want kids are worse than most.

They put the animal at risk with no thought or research.

Out of interest, o/p, where did you get your bitch?

Gumtree? Last puppy? The mum being “rejected” by the KC sounds like a con story to me. L

Before my dog was spayed I had lots of people say things like 'let her have a litter before she's spayed' or 'she's so lovely, let her breed with my dog as the puppies would be cute'. Plus there are owners who breed because 'it's nice for the dog' with no appropriate health testing.

These attitudes are terrible.

Oh the warriors are out again!

Personally, I would much prefer to get a puppy from someone like you than a professional breeder who has a number of bitches and therefore struggling to give them all the love and attention they deserve and get rid of them when they become too old.

I didn't care our puppy was KC registered, we met mum and dad, like the owners asked us zillion questions to reassure themselves we would be good owners, and I would be forever thankful for them to have let us have the most amazing puppy.

Ignore condescending posters here, they don't represent people's view in the real world.

*Before my dog was spayed I had lots of people say things like 'let her have a litter before she's spayed' or 'she's so lovely, let her breed with my dog as the puppies would be cute'. Plus there are owners who breed because 'it's nice for the dog' with no appropriate health testing.

These attitudes are terrible*

Yep. Mine is a pedigree show dog, but I ended up with him as he was a runt and has issues (likely a one-off, but breeder has now spayed that whole line so this can’t happen again).

He’s too small for breed standard. Because he’s small his knees subluxate. It’s a known problem in the breed, but in his case is probably due to being small. No way to be sure.

Before I had him neutered i had people come up to me all the time asking if he was “a teacup”. Nope, just a runt. Then they’d ask if I was going to breed him “because the puppies would be so cute”. Usually it was someone with a female white fluffy dog who’d say *portmanteau breed name” would be incredible, and they’d let me have a puppy .

Nope.

Sad thing was if I had agreed the puppies would likely have been worth thousands.

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You've done it for the money and are now wondering if you can claw back a bit more. Probably a few of these 'wonderful homes' have started asking a couple of the right questions after talking to friends about the adooooorable puppy they're about to pay £££££££ for and being told to dig deeper.

Horrible thing to do.

Oh Molly! what a darling she is. I hope this publicity means she finds a lovely home.