Breeding from my dog

[Ethel1000]

I have a 3 1/2 year old springer and mated her with another springer. She was rejected to be KC registered due to her mum being too old. Not mine at the time. If I have all other information re pure breed will this negate any future pup being KC registered?
Thanks in advance.

@TherapyClient

Out of interest, how does breeding change a dog's personality?

The same way pain and trauma changes a human’s personality.

We bred from our springer and sold the pups for around £200 each. All KC reg. we were extra careful to ensure they went to good homes (eg farm) and rejected a buyer as they had no garden and a tiny nearby park. I don't think it even mattered to the owners re the KC registration. Provided you have good homes and are happy with the health of both parents, you are probably a better bet than a puppy farm which people can be tricked into.

We only did it once, was probably not worth the effort and we didn't make anything out of it with all the expenses. Personally I wouldn't have bothered at all but DH felt she should have a litter 🤷🏻‍♀️

Oh and get her neutered after the pups are rehomed. Dh didn't (despite my endless nagging) and she got a mammary tumour which eventually killed her. Sky was DHs gun dog so not my decision I'm afraid.

No. Parents have to be KC Reg for pups to be. Just don't breed your dog 🤦🏽‍♀️ just a quick buck for almost everybody that does it. Awful

“It is not the panacea but ensuring your dog is healthy“

But you haven’t made sure the puppies will be healthy, as already mentioned there are recessive genetic illnesses that can be passed on and things like hip and elbow dysplasia are caused by multiple genes - so your dog not showing symptoms of things does not mean they don’t carry them.

That’s why proper health tests are important, not just a check up.

Title of thread: Breeding from my dog

@Ethel1000: I am not a breeder

You see the irony?

If she wasn’t receptive I would not have allowed it
How do you know that she was receptive? Serious question... I mean, you can't exactly ask her!

secondly I wouldn’t allow her to go to the Male dog but they came here
Is this relevant in any way? Does it make it better?

Personally I wouldn't have bothered at all but DH felt she should have a litter 🤷🏻‍♀️

Can I ask why? I have seen this so many times, but I don’t get the logic.

I actually saw someone on fb last night who likened neutering pets to sterilisation of humans- ie we don’t force humans to be sterilised so we shouldn’t force dogs. It is cruel and exactly the same and if someone had taken away her ability to have children she’d be devastated, so why wouldn’t an animal. Makes me wonder how you’d get consent...

To much treating animals like humans. I love my animals, but they aren’t my children, the cat isn’t the dogs “fursister”, and I will do anything to give them a good life. This includes exposing them to as little pain and suffering a possible. No labour and delivery, no treatment for terminal disease like cancer, or keeping them alive while suffering because I don’t want them to die.

@TherapyClient

There's not one single cause but the huge surges and dips of various hormones and the physical stresses of pregnancy, delivery and nursing have something to do with it; some bitches become fearful and/or aggressive post-partum.

There's not one single cause but the huge surges and dips of various hormones and the physical stresses of pregnancy, delivery and nursing have something to do with it; some bitches become fearful and/or aggressive post-partum

There’s a similar thing in cats, i believe, where the stress of hormones from oestrus can send them absolutely crazy. I’ve known people physically chased from their house by cats so aggressive from the effects of hormones..

Thinking about it, even minor stuff like the dog’s natural protection of a litter. If that escalates to including humans, could you end up with an aggressive or ultra protective dog?

bluebluezoo I have also seen neutering pets referred to as 'mutilation' which I found very odd

I thought long and hard about letting her have pups. If she wasn’t receptive I would not have allowed it

I don’t get this. Did you think a male would turn up and your dog would say “do you know what, I think I’d like to focus on my career and pursue other life plans. Maybe we could just have a water and I’ll pay for your taxi home”?

What are you going to do when the 4 or 5 homes you have lined up are going to try and hand you back a 5 month old pup because Springers are agile and boisterous and need to be challenged and exercised?

FWIW re neutering, I have a young, male dog who is still intact though I do not ever intend to breed from him. The most up to date evidence base does not state that neutering is a clear cut YES, particularly for males. It is now thought that it can increase anxiety, fear and aggression and the associated behavioural issues. Doing it too early can cause issues later in life with joints. Obviously it’s a ‘yes’ from a contraception point of view but there are so many other things to consider alongside.

I absolutely DO NOT condone irresponsible or unethical breeding or any type but equally, I recognise that neutering isn’t necessarily the right answer for all dog owners. Of course having a sexually mature, intact dog or bitch means you need to be alert and responsible when they are mixing with other dogs (obviously you should be responsible anyway) but it doesn’t have to be a recipe for unwanted litters.

JonHammIsMyJamm I often get on my soap box about the lack of ability to have a vasectomy for dogs. Win win situation for the boys.

Out of interest, how does breeding change a dog's personality

The same way pain and trauma changes a human’s personality

This makes me chuckle... dogs are not human, in fact most have this amazing ability to bounce back and not to dwell on things ... unlike humans.
As for reproduction, honestly, it's the most natural thing in the world...

Yep, it would make sense @PollyRoulson.

This makes me chuckle... dogs are not human, in fact most have this amazing ability to bounce back and not to dwell on things ... unlike humans.

Wow I'll tell my neurotic rescue dog that she needs to bounce back and get over the life she had before she came to us.

As for reproduction, honestly, it's the most natural thing in the world...

So are you in favour of uncontrolled breeding?

@Ylvamoon I assume u have done this and know what happens. I saw two dogs die. One perfectly lovely dog turn mean and one that was aloof turn really cuddly. It does change a dog.

Medievalist
My post is in response to the quotes I picked out. Animals (incl dogs) reproduce, its natural and a lot easier for them. Their young reach independence far quicker than us humans. Most (not all) don't form the same emotional attachments as us humans once the young have reached maturity.
Mothers / bitches do not suffer the same way from birth trauma as us. They do bounce back quickly if things go wrong during birth. As for changing personality in dogs if they have puppies... it can, but not in the way it has been presented on here.

For your neurotic rescue... the behaviour will settle with time... they really take each day as it comes.

@Paranoidmarvin there must be more to the story... grew up with dog breeding and have not experienced any breeding bitch / dog turn "mean".

Personally I wouldn't have bothered at all but DH felt she should have a litter

I wonder would he have felt the same if it was illegal to charge any money for pups.

Lol @ reproduction is natural so causes no harm.

@Ylvamoon

At training we have three attending at the moment; one staffy cross, a gsd/husky cross and a miniature bull terrier.

One has become excessively timid and the other two are now dog aggressive.

Another thing to think about - is that all the people that are lined up to take on a puppy are people that could potentially adopt a dog if your bitch didn't breed.

I'm a vet nurse ,my tip make sure you have enough money put by for a caesarean .My practice have done one this week on a bitch with an unplanned pregnancy , she was older too , poor thing , dead pups.
Vet's aren't too keen on breeders , we see the worst of it sadly , and it rubs salt in the wound when the client has no money to pay for all our hard work, nobody think's their dog will need one .
If she's very early stage she could be spayed if you sort it quickly.

Vet's aren't too keen on breeders
But if there were no breeders, there would soon be very few pets, and there if there were no pets, there would be very few vets...

There are something like 8mill dogs in the UK. From the stats I have managed to find, fewer than 20k are euthanased by rescues or in council pounds each year. That is obviously too many dogs (and also obviously a far bigger number goes through rescue to new homes), but it is a number that is dwarfed by the number of puppies churned out by large commercial facilities here and illegally imported from abroad. I think this needs to be kept in mind.

As for a bitch's personality changing dramatically for the worse after whelping, I've never known it happen out of the half a dozen or so I've known.

Make sure you have money aside in case she needs a ceaser birth OP. Just what the world needs, more lockdown puppies and more irresponsible folk buying off backstreet breeders like you instead of rescuing the 1000s of dogs desperate for homes.
You say you're not daft. I hope you are because you're either that or plain ignorant.