Kylie documentary on Netflix

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Poor Jason Donovan. He's still clearly so cut up about being dumped for Michael Hutchence. Kylie lit up talking about MH and didn't express any regret for hurting J. I wonder if she will feel bad when she sees how much he is still affected.

I once heard someone say that Kylie says a lot of words in interviews but doesn't really give specifics.
Big revelations:

• return of cancer in 2021 (only given 30 secs at the end)
• She did IVF. Didn't give any details tho eg was it just egg freezing or was it embryos, did she ever get pregnant. (Not suggesting for a minute it's any of our business but i know from my own experience you have to decide whether to do just eggs or ask your partner to use his sperm as embryos freeze better so might have been a hell of a conversation with Olivier Martinez.) I got the impression she didn't get too far with it sadly - the implication with the song lyrics being that nothing ever came into being.

Inferences I think we are to draw:

• she took drugs with MH (not news)
• she had a boob job in the early days. Remember how Britney got such a hard time for the same many years later!

Even back in the day I never thought Kylie and Jason were a 'real' couple. They seemed like friends who decided 'Why not?' and of course having Scott and Charlene date in 'real life' was very marketable.

Regarding MH, she only dated him for two years, and they'd probably have been on different continents much of the time. So it was a short, intense affair full of sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll and she was so young at the time. One of those things which isn't meant to last. But no doubt it was fun while it lasted!

Glad she got out and recovered from that relationship with MH. I like her resilience.

I haven’t watched it but they were kids when together and if he’s still sad and bitter decades later he’s a bit pathetic

MH is a classic case of "if he'll do it WITH you, he'll do it TO you" (he cheated on Kylie with Helena Christenson, supposedly).

MH was at the height of his sex god status when he was with Kylie. I'd be shocked if he was ever faithful to her throughout their relationship. Helena was just the one he went public with.

But yes, it must have been humiliating for Jason to be so publicly dumped. And not just by anyone, but by the sexiest man in all Australia! Especially as Kylie's career was really taking off while his remained stagnant. Neither of them was classically talented, but she has a charisma and passion that he lacks.

Still no need to be bitter about it getting on for 40 (!) years later though.

I was shocked at the vitriol spewed by middle aged, smug cunty men about a teenage girl. I’ve always liked Kylie, not a ‘fan’ as such, but I was raging watching those c*nts like Lloyd Grossman be so spiteful and nasty towards her. Absolutely shocking the shit that grown men thought was ok to fling at her. Like Dani said, you wouldn’t get away with that today!

I loved the doc, binge watched it in one sitting!

I was 10 when I should be so lucky came out and was a huge fan of Neighbours and both Kylie and Jason (had all their albums on cassette and posters on my wall. I wanted to be Kylie:)

I'd also cut Jason some slack though, he was clearly so much more into her than she was to him and that really showed in the doc. I actually think he's just being pretty honest, wasn't going to sugar coat how he felt at the time, and was really hurt by the very public break-up(both heart and ego). Just like a part of her has never properly got over MH, I'd say the same could be said of him for Kylie.

I warmed to her so much in the doc, as others have said, she must be incredibly resilient. All that shit she got at the start of her career from middled aged men (and also from Paula Yates who did a really prickly interview with her, obviously didnt like the fact she was an ex of MH!).

I found it very sad she never had the family she desired, especially seeing how important family is to her. But (even subconsciously) trying to recreate what she had with MH was never going end in 2.4 children and a white picket fence I guess.

I also loved her relationship with Nick Cave - which i didn't really know much about previously (just aware that they had duetted together). But these were some of my favourite moments in the doc.

Going to have to listen to her early pwl albums again, as they are such comforting nostalgia for me!

loved this series, especially her relationship with Nick Cave and how they admired and supported each other …and can totally relate to falling deeply in love with a bad boy! Was lucky to see Her at Glastonbury . She was amazing. Just so bowled over by the love from the crowd. I’ve seen hundreds of bands live and she smashed it 😀

Gosh part 3 was a tough one
My mum was diagnosed with breast cancer and had treatment at almost exactly the same time, as Kylie.(But died 5 years after) I had tickets for the homecoming tour but DD was a few months old, and was ill the day i was meant to go, so my mum had my ticket and went with my sister and it was a huge deal for her to go to the concert.
The interview with (i think) Cat Deeley was a hard watch, Kylie being asked, almost immediately post cancer, if she wanted kids.You could see it was v emotional.
I loved seeing her (on tv) at Glastonbury and was glad she got her headline spot.

Just finishing this, am a big Kylie fan (hence the username!). Hated how intense the paparazzi were during her cancer treatment, offering medical staff money for photos!

he was on the Davina podcast recently and said that he’d split with his wife (who was his girlfriend then) when she phoned him to tell him she was pregnant. He said he got back together with her because he didn’t want to be a part time Dad. So yeah; it didn’t sound like a big love story. And he’s clearly still in love with Kylie.

Just finished it. What a lovely film.

I thought JD came across really badly.

I think the narrative that was around back then was rubbish, looking at it now. It was poor nice guy Jason, badly treated by Kylie who went off with a bad boy/someone more famous.

I think the truth was she was stiffled by PWL and JD. She was so so young. She would never have been happy or achieved her potential with him. She spoke with nothing but positivity about MH and his encouragement for her to become herself.

Jason strikes me as the kind of man who would have willingly held her back. He didn't see her at all.

I have a lot of time for Nick Cave too and thought their friendship was lovely. He sees the true her, too and loves her as a proper friend does.

Never been a fan as such but what a woman she is.

Watched it last night . Not a big fan of hers but did like - Confide in Me and her collab with Nick Cave . Hated the Stock , Aitken and Waterman stuff .
But I have always admired that she seemed to have been good to and loved by her fans .
She is very beautiful and especially after the split with Michael Hutchence .
I agree that JD didn’t come across very well . I wonder why he agreed to be interviewed . I am not sure his current wife would be chuffed , as he did seem slightly bitter .
Michael Hutchence was such a sex god - so would have been difficult for JD to lose Kylie to him
. JD also admitted he was a fan of MH too .

Kylie did seem to view MH as her one true love and I also got the impression that no one else matched up to him .

It was very difficult to see the paparazzi hounding her when she was undergoing her cancer treatment . Also very sad to hear that the cancer has recurred , but thankfully due to. covid , Kylie could deal with it privately at this time .
There wasn’t much mention of Oliver Martinez , other than the footage on the motorbike .

I think her family came across as very loving and a close and down to earth family . Danni seemed very close to her , although I did think that it was difficult to see any facial expressions on her as she has had quite a lot of work done , although does look good .

Loved Nick Cave in it , he was very sweet about her . Have read a few articles about him recently and was impressed about the support he gives to other bereaved families . He tragically lost two of his sons .
I was quite surprised that K did seem to have a decent voice and able to hit some high notes .

I think she came across well in it .

I haven’t got passed episode 1 . I’ve found it really
dull . Not sure why but I can see she’s a diva under the big smile and bouncy hair .

Same here. First episode was dull, it improved in other episodes slightly eg the MH years but I don’t feel she revealed anything of her true self.

I watched and enjoyed it very much. I saw her in concert last year while heartbroken and this girl was crying in the audience. She hugged her and said, ‘come on, you have to galvanise yourself’, and her words stayed with me as I’d been crying for weeks. I realised she was a woman who had been through a hell of a lot.

I also wondered if any rivalry between Kylie and Danni would show up. I didn’t know before that Danni was the original singer, I imagine she’s had to go through a lot of mental hoops to maintain a loving sisterly relationship and not be really envious at the same time. I would think anyway.

Jason was really dragged back in the day.
Kylie put out her first single before J, they were pitted against each other and he came off worse.
IMO his romantic frustration is mixed in with career frustration.
By any measure he has had a good career.

Wonder how J’s wife feels.

MH was not as into Kylie as she was with him.

I have always found this with kylie that she talks but somehow manages to say nothing. She had an incredibly creative artistic director early 2000s that rescued her career. I would actually like to watch a documentary about him more tbh. He was completely self taught.

Yes i agree that she talks but doesn't seem to say anything much. Or rather her speech is stilted and doesn't flow or hold me.

The contrast in the way she talked about JD (i.e didn’t say very much) and MH was so stark. He really was the love of her life and she also seemed to accept that he didn’t quite love her back the same way. When she said she could always feel him with her? No other man could ever match up to that.

I have to wonder if she’s completely romanticised all that. She was 21 - the perfect age for that intense, madly in love experience. But at some point you realise that might not have been healthy or made you happy long term. It’s sad she couldn’t find someone to settle down with. Though she seems so independent that maybe that’s not what she wanted.

Oh and I adored Nick Cave - what a lovely man.

I enjoyed it as a walk in time.
Jason - I thought he was quite candid. At least he showed up and was filmed.
Michael - I mean, he was gorgeous, I’d have run off with him as well.
As ‘lovely’ as he was he still broke her heart and I think that was glossed over.
I think she was open as she could be as she’s quite guarded for a reason.
I can remember the Gallagher brothers heckling her and calling her names. Same with Michael. No class at all.
I would have liked to have seen her parents a bit more.
I have always thought her sister is very beautiful, and talented, but Kylie just had something extra. It’s hard to define.
Oliver - back in the day he was gorgeous as well.
Here we are, four decades on, and she’s still working away. Good for her.

I think they started as a star couple, almost a posh and becks of the moment....but then her getting together with MH almost raised her profile a bit more and he was kind of left behind.
That in itself would have been difficult but then her career took off and his didnt really have the same trajectory.
I dont necessarily think she's a better actor or singer but she has the personality, charisma, and star quality that kind of overrides any of that.

I think if his career had been just as successful, he wouldnt necessarily still be asked about her (as often) Agree it must be difficult for his wife. They've been together 30 years but hes constantly being connected to his ex.

I thought Kylie came across brilliantly and I found it an emotional watch. She is admirably resilient, hard working and family oriented and I admired her openness. She was clearly heartbroken about not being able to have children. I was also impressed by how articulate she was, even when very young and trying to stand her ground against powerful men who were patronising and belittling her. The Glastonbury scenes were awesome. I watched it with low expectations and thoroughly enjoyed it.

I thought the same: that she’s romanticised the whole relationship. This often happens when someone dies young. They’re immortalised forever as young and beautiful and a part of our carefree youth.

In reality MH might have gone on to have a few marriages and divorces, a few more children, possibly a realisation that he couldn’t carry on with the lifestyle, or possibly not. If he’d lived, Kylie would’ve seen him age like she has. MH would be nearly 70 if he’d lived.

She’s glamourised that relationship. It’s frozen in time. It’s become something larger and possibly more meaningful than it would’ve been if she’d lived through it all together, rather than looking back at that gorgeous 37 year old rock god.