Anyone watching Channel 5's Under Suspicion Kate McCann?

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It was on last night

I used to have similar shutters - they are widespread across Europe.
They tend to be two kinds - either electric, in which you flick a switch/turn a switch and keep it turned, or manual, where it’s on a tension reel a bit like how a seatbelt works. So you pull down on a strap that is set in a loop on the wall. You need to pull several times to open them fully, but the shutter will be held by the tension reel in the position of the last pull.

You don’t need lots of strength, it’s not heavy (particularly aluminium ones, wooden ones can be a bit heavier). A 3 year old can definitely open them, I have seen it with my own eyes, plenty of times.

If you are trying to open them from the outside (and I have done this myself too, when I locked myself out), the “tension” doesn’t get engaged, so you can lift them up a certain amount (not anywhere close to fully open, but a foot or two), but they won’t stay there, they will drop straight back down again as soon as you let go.

And just to add: when I posted that imo the whole experience will have inevitably impacted on the twin siblings, a poster replied ‘it very much sounds like you don’t want them to be fine.’ !! I mean wtaf? What sort of sick mind jumps to that thought?

It's not the criticism I take issue with, not least as I concur with plenty of it. It's the ridiculous claim that making it has anything to do with justice. There simply isn't any sensible argument for that, which is why the person making it hasn't been able to make one. Pointing that out isn't a personal attack.

fair enough - and actually I don’t have any particularly strong feelings from that point of view, about prosecution. It took place in a different country with its own judicial system, thresholds for prosecution would be different etc. I certainly don’t think that even if charges of neglect had been brought that a custodial sentence would be appropriate and could possibly cause more harm.

I think it’s a grey area though (talking ethically here rather than in rigid terms of the law) because any situation where a child comes to harm directly as a result of parental neglect, the justice system can’t bring the child back, or undo the harm done - yet there are plenty of cases where charges are brought, so it must be a case of ‘justice being done’ in those cases.

what on earth are you bleating on about? Is this post for me? If so I’m confused as to your comment ??

No, I was agreeing with you regarding the poster who wasn’t. The quotes messed up somehow.

No.

Both Kate and Gerry told the PJ that they weren't in the habit of medicating the children because neither of them believed in it. This immediately piqued interest because the police found a significant amount of Calpol in the apartment.

The PJ asked permission to drug test the twins given that the fact they hadn't stirred at all despite the commotion had been noticed, and Kate McCann angrily refused this.

Kate McCann, months later in her book, then described how the twins "must have been drugged" by the abductor/abductors to keep them quiet, and berated the PJ for not drug testing them at the time.

Lolita possibly the last photo of Maddy
May 2007 (The Interviews): Just days after Madeleine disappeared, the Gaspars doctors contacted British police. They gave detailed statements to the Leicestershire Constabulary on 18 and 23 May 2007, detailing inappropriate comments David Payne allegedly made about a child during a 2005 holiday in Mallorca.
The Conversation: Dr Gaspar stated that one evening, while the adults were drinking on a patio, David Payne and Gerry McCann were discussing Madeleine.
The Lewd Gestures: She claimed Payne said something to the effect of "she [Madeleine] would do this". While saying this, Payne allegedly performed a lewd, provocative gesture, which involved sucking on his finger while using his other hand to circle his nipple over his clothes.
2 October 2007 (Amaral's Removal): Gonçalo Amaral, the original chief investigator, was removed from his post after publicly accusing British police of only following leads that favored the McCanns.
November 2007 (The Arrival): The translated statements and the formal request regarding the Gaspars' allegations were officially received by the Polícia Judiciária and added to the Portuguese case file under the new leadership of Paulo Rebelo, weeks after Amaral's departure.

@bsidesare these verified interviews? That is absolutely sickening.

Yes they are verified interviews They also reported a second time the same thing happened. The reason for the cover up has to be a connection to very important person or more likely a multi national company. That is why the government and multinationals were heavily involved from day 1. The obvious choice would be a multinational drug company. If the Tapas 7 doctors were using a new sleeping drug as a trial at the same time Maddy died for some reason they would need to cover it up .

When they test hair for drug use its pulled out at the root. Its not taken from the bottom of the strand.

But you are forgetting who supplied the hair
The Allegations: Following the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in May 2007, leaks from the Portuguese police suggested that the McCanns may have accidentally killed Madeleine by giving her an overdose of sedatives. Rumours spread that they routinely sedated all three of their children to make them sleep.
The Defence: To completely disprove these allegations, the McCanns' legal team had hair samples taken from Kate McCann and the two-year-old twins.

I guess we must just trust the McCanns' legal team

It is also possible the new sleeping drug trial was only done on the older children and they did not have Maddies hair to test after the accident and did not test any of the other older children

Lot of stuff on Reddit.
Fell down a rabbit hole reading some of it.
Lot of suggestions it happened before the 3 May.

The creche records seem to not to be reliable and not clear at all who signed in or out.

Yes, that’s what I said. But other people are saying a ‘cut’ hair sample was given, which suggests no root attached.

I'm sure they'd have called 999 if that had happened. Your story is invented. Just because you read it on the Internet doesn't make it true.

Well, if you can’t get your head around it, and think it’s ’wild’ to imagine parents covering up the accidental death of their daughter, why wouldn’t you conclude that this is not what happened, and that the child was abducted or wandered off and died accidentally?

I actually first came to that conclusion after reading all the police files on the case. The evidence is all there and it is all very odd.

Because in those cases, there is a lot of evidence that really doesn't add up. Go and read the police files, it is eye opening and really puzzling.

But that’s the case in huge numbers of crime situations. People often behave in stressful situations in strange ways that, if it was a film or novel, would indicate concealed wrongdoing or secret guilt. But in RL, people do incredibly illogical, inconsistent and just plain strange things under stress.

That's what the Portuguese police were trying go make out, to make the McCanns take the blame. I don't think it's true though. I think the PJ just needed to wrap up the case quickly and were too lazy to do their jobs properly and investigate what actually happened. Afterall, that bad press was affecting the amount of tourism in Praia da Luz 🙄

Yes...look at the case of Amanda Knox as another example!

I’ve watched the Norwegian detective podcast and with all the evidence (blood) and so on I think it was sadly an accident with Maddie falling off the sofa and banging her head and dying and her parents drugged her and the twins with sleeping tablets. It’s very telling how the parents after her death ran and played tennis. You just wouldn’t do that, would you?

Kate McCann' said she kept her maiden (former) name iKate Marie Healy
she only became Kate McCann after the press started calling her Kate McCann yet the creche records are signed Kate McCann. . One more thing among a host of others