The Crash - Netflix

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Anyone watched this?

I feel like her parents made excuses for everything she did - felt like she was used to getting everything she wanted.

She's guilty as sin! And the parents are shocking - the mum really pissed off the judge didn't she!

I would have given her 30-life CONSECUTIVE.

Yeah - definitely. And the interview she did - cannot remember anything - not likely. I don’t know why they kept going on that she wasn’t suicidal. Surely it seems like she just got completely mad about something and just reacted.

Her parents were absolutely vile. The whole lot of them seemed quite unpleasant. Pretty clear that her boyfriend was a dealer. So glad my dc and their friends are nothing like this lot. I thought the father of one of the victims (Davion?) was very eloquent. A complete and utter tragedy in so many ways.

Whilst I dont believe she is completely innocent, I felt the murder verdict and life sentence was way too strong. Maybe because I live in a country where if that happened, the max she would get would be manslaughter with much shorter sentence.

Her parents have a lot to answer for though.

@Sesame2011 I think a lot of people are confused because her "weapon" was a car. This was not a case of careless/dangerous/reckless driving or manslaughter. She slammed the car into a wall at 100mph ON PURPOSE. It's murder as surely as if she'd shot them. She's the same as a suicide bomber as far as I'm concerned. It's just "lucky" that she survived.

I think she's truly calculating, evil and dangerous and I don't think she should ever be allowed out: a) she deserves the punishment and b) to protect society.

The phonecall with her mother where they're excited to have made it to the Daily Mail and they "hope Kim Kardashian sees it" made me want to throw up.

The Mum saying that the one lad was a new friend of her daughters as if his life didn't matter said it all.

What kind of parents let their 13yr old have a 16yr old boyfriend and then allow her to live with him atc17 when they know she's emotionally immature. Parents were dreadful.

Agreed, and apparently according to Reddit she was the only one wearing a seat belt, so very well planed, hence why she survived the others didn't.

I struggle to understand why her parents appeared on the show - I don’t know if they are just completely in denial about her behaviour.

I think they are too dim to realise how awful the whole famy is.

I agree that something happened in the car and in the heat of the moment she made an awful decision.

However, had it been a jury trial and I was on the jury, from what I saw, I had reasonable doubt. She claimed she blacked out (probably didnt but probably doesn't warrant a murder verdict), there was mention of POTS etc and I just felt I couldn't say beyond reasonable doubt that she murdered them. She killed them yes, but just dont feel the evidence for murder was strong enough. Also taking her age and assumption of no prior record into account.

I also didnt like the use of her social media in court. Yes it was incredibly selfish and tasteless to act on social media like nothing had happened but this is a teenager we are talking about.

My daughter has Pots but she wouldn’t kill
anyone

Mackenzie and her parents are all vile and deluded. Do they really think people are going to watch that documentary and be on their side? If her mother genuinely believes she blacked out due to POTs I’d love to hear the awareness she is spreading to others with POTs, and the campaigning she’s doing to make POTs an automatic disqualification to having a drivers license.

Those poor, poor boys. I though three families came across very well particularly the sister and her speech at the trial, I hope the barber scholarship has gotten a big boost. It’s really stuck in my mind how, as someone said in the documentary, how their last few seconds must have been filled with absolute terror.

I watched it at the weekend and agree that a) she's guilty and sin and b) her parents have created the monster that she is by condoning her awful behaviour and enabling it her whole life. They are disgraceful human beings and so is she. I mean, clearly by causing an accident like that she was intending for them all to die and she only survived by dumb luck, but I don't think she was suicidal - she was just willing to die herself in order to kill Dom and prevent him from dumping her. No doubt she'll be out of jail after 15 years and will then treat some other poor bloke the same. She's a black widow.

Have you seen the documentary? Nobody was suggesting POTs made her kill people. Her parents were trying to suggest the opposite, that POTs made her black out at the wheel and caused the crash. The defence brought no experts to trial regarding that though, presumably because blacking out would mean you apply no pressure to an accelerator rather than jam the accelerator to the floor.

I did find myself laughing at her friend who suggested she wouldn't kill herself because she was so health conscious and wouldn't even eat Macdonalds when she smoked so much weed she was coughing up black catarrh.

I thought Devoin's dad was incredibly dignified, as was his sister. I think he's right that her parents aren't doing her any favours by colluding with her in the belief she did nothing wrong. She needs to face up to what she did to have a chance of leaving prison and becoming a better person.

I thought there were so many questions this documentary didn’t answer. She came across as a very unpleasant character with parents who were willing to excuse everything. From all the footage shown from her social media before the crash she looked to be in the throes of a raging eating disorder and yet no one ever mentioned this. It was also never explained why her boyfriend was also living on his own at such a young age and seemingly had been for some time.

her friend who refused to speak to the police investigator but was very happy to participate in the documentary really summed up the whole thing. They were all after fame and believed that any publicity was great, regardless of how it was achieved. Mackenzie obviously believes that this documentary is going to be her passport to freedom but it felt like she was just being used by Netflix for content.

Absolutely vile. The poor boys. Her parents enabled her terrible behaviour.

I'm not sure how you think someone can black out and yet still drive at 97 mph and turn a corner, and keep their foot on the accelerator....

That was one of the worst true crime docos I've ever seen. If you drive a car into a building at 100+ mph, when you are pretty much sober (ok she had some weed in her system, but she was experienced in driving stoned) you must know you will likely die yourself?

That was only briefly touched on in court, and brushed off with "Oh no, she wasn't suicidal".

The use of her teenage social media in court was nauseating. Her whole friendship group did it.

Hideous for the 2 young men who died and their families, and yes her parents were awful.

I think she got 15 years in the end?

If she blacked out without warning then she is 100% innocent and you would need to acquit her entirely. Doesn't sit right, does it?

Actually, if she really had this "POTS" she shouldn't have been driving so I would still convict of murder.

@Sesame2011 I agree with you, that if it had been a jury trial there would have been room for reasonable doubt.

POTS could've have been a sheer defense tactic. There was a case here in Australia where a father was convicted of driving into a dam and drowning his 3 young sons- his defense was Cough Synapse. That's when you cough so hard it sends signals to the brainstem and causes you to blackout. The jury didn't buy it and he's in prison for life.

Sorry, a bit off track!

I didn't think someone can keep hold of a steering wheel whilst blocking out? I've seen videos of cars driven by people having a heart attack etc and basically the car slows down and tends to veer to the left or right.

Yes that makes sense Buster. It seems she deliberately rammed the car into the building but the point remains that she must've have been trying to kill herself as well?

The 'black box' evidence that showed the car was at full acceleration with no braking, but that the gear shift had gone from drive to neutral back to drive again was interesting. IIRC one of the investigators thought that was due to one of the passengers grabbing the gear shift trying to stop her. If that's true, how awful.

she must've have been trying to kill herself as well?

Yes, I think she was prepared to die too. She threatened to kill them both and nearly did so in a car crash a few weeks before the fatal crash. She was driving very fast and erratically, he panicked and called his DM, who sent her DH to intervene, which he somehow did. Mackenzie then tried to cover it up by sending texts that her family now say exonerates her.

But don't forget, she was the only one with a seat belt on, and apparently the passenger side took the brunt. I think she knew that there would be a slim chance of survival, adding that she most likely had an airbag too. The men had no seat belts on. They were certain to die.