The Crash - Netflix

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Anyone watched this?

I feel like her parents made excuses for everything she did - felt like she was used to getting everything she wanted.

I think it is a given that her and Dom’s relationship was toxic. And I think the type of love she had for Dom was one of obsession and ownership rather than actual love. It was full of breaking up and getting back together and drama. Her mother describes this in her statement (and still doesn’t see anything wrong bf with it) by saying she would only wear Dom’s clothes, eat the snacks he liked, only listen to his music etc. as someone who has experienced bereavement, to me this is a fairly obsessive reaction. I get not washing clothes to retain someone’s smell, keeping their room unchanged but only eating food he liked just seems extreme. That said she was a teen and they can be extreme.

I heard on another channel that she had threatened suicide many times and been on antidepressants. I don’t think this was planned but I do think it was a reaction to something that happened in that car and it was an impulsive‘I’ll show you’ reaction.

i can’t get over her parents ‘you’re innocent’ etc. there’s no disputing that she was driving that car and at 100 mph and dom and Davion lost their lives as a result of her actions. there are many statements about her appalling driving that was reckless as well as video evidence. they were neglectful in letting her get away with everything, allowing her to live with her boyfriend at 17 etc.

I understand that the 15 years means she will be conserved for parole then. Unless she has accepted her role in the crash this will be rejected. The parole board can keep her in for life or they can consider whether she’s been rehabilitated (although prison phone call between her and her mum both agree she doesn’t need this).

All I could think about was, what had happened to her to make her such a horrible person? She didn't learn that abusive behaviour from nowhere. Everyone seemed to put her on a pedestal, even her dopey friend thought she was 'cute'.

Being pretty can be corrupting this is a perfect example of that.

The answer was right there in the documentary. Her parents.

Watched this last night. It's a really odd case because she must have meant to kill herself too unless she thought she'd somehow get away with it as I think the impact was more on the other side. They say she blacked out but surely her foot would come off the accelerator(?) and also there was no medical evidence to suggest this.

The mother in impact statements! She sounded so stupid to be honest and I don't think Mackenzie seemed remorseful at all. I don't think 15 years is enough.

I also agree I didn't get what the social media showed. I get that it was after the event so she didn't seem remorseful but young people put stupid stuff on SM.

Also the parents saying she doesn't do anything and except run her mouth when there are complaints about her at school and she drives stoned.

Having given it some thought I think the most damning evidence is that the car went from neutral back to drive (as per the black box). This shows intent in my mind as if one of the boys had put it into neutral, someone (ie her) had to put it back into drive again. Also, the road is not that straight, apparently it’s fairly winding and would need someone to steer along it in order to get to the building (so if she’d passed out they’d have hit something sooner). The car would need some steering whilst it accelerated to get to 100mph.

However, apparently it is possible (but unlikely) that the foot would remain on the pedal if falling into unconsciousness. I also think it is entirely possible that she doesn’t remember the crash - this is really common. However, very convenient they it’s from the corner where she’s driving appropriately (it’s often the whole day before etc). And if she doesn’t remember anything how can she be sure it wasn’t in anger? In their toxic relationship she certainly made threats and likely he did too. Even her mum’s ’new evidence’ that it was Dom that grabbed the steering wheel weeks before might have given her the idea in anger. There are many videos of her driving really fast, smoking weed whilst doing so and accelerating with her left foot (so not on the brake). She was known for getting angry whilst driving and friends were warned not to be driven by her. All this makes her a likely candidate for you by her car as a weapon.

I do think that many of us find it hard to believe that she’s guilty just because it is so inconceivable. There’s another case of a young man (Daniel Waterman I think), whose girlfriend did something similar but he woke from his coma to give a statement before also sadly losing his life.

Whether she was suicidal or just thought she’d get away with it is anyone’s guess. I don’t think she was able to think that through, just like I think she thought she’d get away with it just like her parents allowed her to get away with everything before. She grew up being able to behave in any way she liked, that she deserved to be famous and her behaviour would always be excused. Her parents are awful and were complicit in creating a monster.

Guilty as sin BUT surely she was happy to die herself in that moment as the fact she survived was an absolute miracle??

I wonder if she thought she'd be ok as she had her seatbelt on and they didn't plus the hit was on the passenger side.

I don't buy the winding road theory alone as she could have passed out after that and shortly before hitting the wall but I still think she did it, whether or not she intended to kill herself too.

But if she only passed out at the last minute she wouldn’t have had time to get up to 100mph. So either she was speeding and driving recklessly (and therefore deserves significant jail time) and passed out in the last few seconds or she did it on purpose.

I think she thought she was invincible. However, I’ve also read elsewhere that she’d threatened taking her life previously and was on anti depressants (but I don’t know if this is 100% accurate).

I don't know how long it takes to get up to 100 mph or what the distance was but clearly she was driving carefully before and then sped up, whether she passed out or not? Or does the footage show she was speeding the whole time and managed to navigate the turns and that's the point?

I think the fact that it’s slightly split on here from those who think murder and those who think mabslaughter makes me think she’d have not been found guilty of murder in a jury of 12.

im unsure if it should be murder. It wasn’t proved that she was in anyway suicidal and she’d have had to have been to choose that way. But I also understand that with murder the prosecutor doesn’t have to prove why just that it was deliberate so I understand that side of things,

I think she was either trying to scare them or showing off and distracted if the boys were trying to stop her.

either way her actions killed them and she deserved to be in prison.

I didn't know what to make of this.

Is it possible she had some kind of drug withdrawal psychotic episode?

I didn't feel they showed enough in the trial about it not being possible to hold the accelerator down if she had slumped over the wheel.

The thing is there was not much shaking in the car - if it was either of above you'd expect that there would have been push back.

So I feel like probably she accelerated out of fun and they were on board then they started to have an argument and she lost her shit.

Maybe she doesn't remember anything but on balance I thought she was guilty.

I found the whole thing odd. Yes she came across like a sociopath but I’m not sure I believe she set out thinking “I’ll crash everyone into a wall today”. Mainly because she could have easily died too. Possibly a fight in the car and an angry reaction? Did they clarify she was sober?

I agree it's odd but I don't think it matters whether she was suicidal. It's one of those things that we don't know and won't know unless she decides to tell the truth (very unlikely). She drove into a wall and killed two people. There's no evidence there was anything wrong with the car or her.

I think they just found a small amount of weed in her system, no alcohol or mushrooms.

Her parents 🤷‍♀️

Shes a perfect example of a child bought up with no boundaries and no consequences to her behaviours.

Children have to be taught empathy and kindness, her parents completely failed her.

Her interview from prison was chilling. When she sat down with a face full of makeup and her hair in that ridiculous artful bun and she does this "innocent" look, that doesn't quite ring true. She seemed to think not remembering anything was a slam dunk. Echoes of her dad saying "good luck proving it". She's psycho in that she seems to think you can say anything and will be believed, which is how her life had always been with her parents.

The very last clip showed her as calculating and cold: saying really needed to major on remorse and didn't want to say anything that she hadn't been told to say.

Even the footage of her looking upset seems to be grief for herself. She's upset she's been caught, she's upset she lost her boyfriend, she's upset she's been injured. There is not one moment where either her or her parents show grief for the loss of the boys' lives. Though her mum looks shocked and upset for Dom when first given the news she doesn't look particularly bothered after that.

Fascinating documentary. Its amazing that Mackenzie and her supporters participated and then dragged themselves down. They seemed really thick and could not realise their error. The parents managed a cursory "obviously it's awful these boys are dead but..." and back to their dd's defence.

I'd be interested in more information about why they were in the area and why they left in the early hours from the party.

Totally agree with this 👌

Based solely on the documentary alone. No reading around the subject. Taken on face value, not meant to offend, and is just an opinion...

1. Mackenzie is a narcissist, probably with undiagnosed NPD, also has been enabled since very early on by her parents. Her social media presence/profile is irrelevant and creates bias. (Conversely, that phone call of her trying to get into the boyfriends apartment is, i think, very relevant).
2. Would say that Mackenzie is woefully immature, so much so, is unable to equate actions with consequences, behavior potentially worsened by her parents who never insisted on any. As with NPD, Mackenzie is very quick to anger, tantrums etc. Has an inability to control emotions. Everything is black andd white emotionally, no in between.
3. Her emotional deficiencies are exacerbated by substance abuse. A type of abuse very common amongst those with NPD (and BPD). Also common is toxic relationships when one party has NPD or BPD.
4. Something enraged her in the vehicle on the drive home. Honestly, it could have been about anything. Impulsively, she hit the gas in an out of control fit of anger. Obviously, to scare and threaten. But the decision to do so was about HER and her need for attention.
5. The two boys were fully aware and tried to save themselves, but had very little time to do so.
6. She/they ran out of road. There simply wasn't time to talk her down. Only seconds.
7. Subsequently, in court, in complete denial that she was responsible, instead of owning the situation. In her mind, she just got angry, what's the big deal? The judge saw that at the trial.

Premeditated murder? No. Vehicular manslaughter or straight out manslaughter. I don't believe she had the intention to kill all three of them. Just a combination of emotional imbalance, entitlement and stupidity, that was nurtured and indulged by her parents for years and years.

Personally, I blame the parents. Just watching the Mom speak to the judge, and the father to the interviewer, was pretty much all you needed to see to understand the dynamic of the family and how Mackenzie was set on a path to hurt and destroy those around her who didn't fuel her narcissism, likely since she was a toddler.

I hope she gets the psychological care she needs and leans to take responsibility for what happened.

Very good. All sounds plausible to me!

I get what you mean. I think that's partly why she thinks that the rules don't apply to her. She thinks she can just bat her eyelids at any one and get away with murder. Even after she was sentenced, she was on the phone to mommy demanding that she pays and gets her out of here. As if they can just pay enough money, and get off a 30 year jail sentence. She's exactly where she needs to be, where she can't harm any more innocent people

I think I heard that she's hoping to become a life coach when she gets out. God help us

As it is she has a string of sugar daddies sending her money whilst she is in prison. Her mum and her were discussing which ones they liked.
You couldn't make it up

However she has loads of infractions in prison which will mean she doesn't get out early. She couldn't toe the line if she tried.

Some Americans do have a way of talking that is quite divorced from reality I find

@LyndaSnellsSniff I don’t think that girl knows where ‘performing’ for ‘content’ ends and the real her begins.
Perhaps her parents are the same?

@LyndaSnellsSniff I don’t think that girl knows where ‘performing’ for ‘content’ ends and the real her begins.
Perhaps her parents are the same?