The Crash - Netflix

[snowymarbles]

Anyone watched this?

I feel like her parents made excuses for everything she did - felt like she was used to getting everything she wanted.

@BusterGonad she certainly gave herself the best chance of survival, while ensuring that they would both die. She's a psycho IMO.

I thought that documentary was hideously biased and misogynistic, as were the police.

The girl was awful, yes. School bully, wannabe influencer, dating a drug dealer, enabler parents. Just hideous and 100% would have bullied me at school lol.

But the idea that she had premeditatedly driven into a building in a murder suicide wasn't substantiated at all, and there was tons of reasonable doubt.

I think something else happened in the car, they were being idiots and racing and seeing how fast they could get the car to go and she didn't have time to react to the turn.

She got sentenced to murder for being an annoying girl. The whole trial seemed to be about her character and social media.

She had a bench trial rather than a jury trial, I don't think a jury would have sentenced her.

Yes. It seems that way. I don't know how anyone can think it wasn't murder tbh.

What was misogynistic about it?

And it’s insanely insulting to the victims and their families to suggest they were at fault. She was driving the car normally and controlled not long before, when turning off the main road. Why would they then suddenly decide to go so fast? And why would she keep her foot on the accelerater pedal, knowing she had lost control?

Even if that is what happened then there are obvious potential consequences to such stupidity on the drivers part, a crash resulting in death being one such obvious consequence. So then she still did it deliberately unless you think the boys forced her to?

I think something else happened in the car, they were being idiots and racing and seeing how fast they could get the car to go and she didn't have time to react to the turn.

The evidence from the car itself and CCTV refutes this. She had her foot flat to the floor right up until impact. She didn't so much as lift off, let alone brake.

In her defence, I have been in a major car crash at speed, car was a write off and I have absolutely no recollection. I couldn't remember my name. That part is plausible. The parents certainly had a role to play. What a waste of life.

Yep she was raised with no responsibility, no boundaries nothing and it’s the parents fault . She was a spoilt child and is totally guilty .

I didn’t take it as a murder suicide. How I envisage it is that she flew off the handle about something in the car and it was a bit of a fuck you moment with big consequences.

@snowymarbles same here .

well she got convicted of murder, so that's what most people think she is. I'd say it was manslaughter at best.

Watched it last night. What a nasty piece of work she is. And the parents. The data from the car computer nailed her to the wall. Absolute crank.

There is another show called mean girl murders S2 episode 7 I think. It goes into much more detail then the Netflix show. Imo it was 100% intentional and planned. She had even ' practiced ' the route.

Yeah I'm confused about the "practising the route" bit and ensuring they had their seatbelts off but she had hers on (how did she arrange for this?!). Sounds much more premeditated than I had thought.

I had envisioned it as an argument in the car and she impulsively slammed the car into the wall, not giving a shit who lived or died (including herself). Which is still murder! Murder does not need to be premeditated.

Manslaughter is totally overused. It's meant to only be for cases where there was serious provocation or mental health issues (but falling short of a full defence). Being "a 17 yr old female who i feel a bit sorry for" is not a defence!

she's fucking sociopathic and dangerous to herself and others.

I actually thought murder did need to be premeditated and there had to be intent to kill. Whereas manslaughter is more of an involuntary/accidental killing 🤔

Either way, I haven't watched this yet. So will come back when I have 😉

Her parents did not come across well, apparently she was "mature" enough to live with her older boyfriend at 17 but wasn't mature enough to behave herself at school or not drive whilst high.

It's plausible she doesn't remember what happened, but the way the car was controlled going around the corner and then flat out to 100mph with no let up is clear something happened that she was willing to say fuck it and end it all. There is absolutely no way she would have known she'd have survived even with a seatbelt and airbag. She could have been brain dead, paralysed or hugely disfigured. It's a huge risk to take if she pre planned it. I don't think it was pre planned as such but something she couldn't control took over and she was willing to die in that moment.

No. "Premeditation" is an aggravating factor for murder (ie makes it more serious). It's not a requirement for a conviction. Neither is motive.

Anyway this wasn't an "accidental" killing. She either intended to kill them or she had "wicked recklessness" as to whether they lived or died. Both situations are murder in my book and certainly that's the definition of murder in Scotland. You can't fire a gun into a crowded room and cry "I didn't mean to kill anyone"!

Some murders are "worse" than others. "Aggravating factors" are things like premeditation, murdering a child, an especially violent/cruel murder. Those things are reflected via sentence. The absence of any of those types of factors here doesn't mean this wasn't still murder.

Manslaughter/culpable homicide is more like:

• "I punched you and you fell, cracked your head open and died" ie a bit of bad luck.
• "you came at me with a knife but i shot you with a gun" ie i've gone too far on the self-defence and was provoked
• "I killed him but he raped my daughter" (provocation)
• "I killed him. I'm suffering from serious mental illness but still knew right from wrong" (diminished responsibility)

The bit about suicide was a red herring. Many suicides are impulsive rather than planned.

Anyway, again, I don't think she "intended" to kill herself, she just didn't think about it or didn't care.

Rape can also be committed recklessly.

This!!! That horrible piece of work did it on purpose! Her parents are complete enablers as well.

She is Guilty as sin! I don’t understand why she killed her friend tho he was totally innocent in their toxic relationship! She showed not one bit of remorse as did her poor excuse of parents. They were shocking and should be locked up for producing such scum ! I hope she stays locked up for life she came across as such a hard faced bitch

The whole POTS thing is bullshit. You tend to have episodes when standing. Not driving a car.

And don’t even get me started on her friend Rosie. Another absolutely garbage human being.

God that was a hard watch. She and the hideous parents personify everything that is wrong with society. When the drippy dad said “ I know when my daughter is lying” when he picked her up from school and defended her when she had called a teacher a fucking bitch. I have seen that line trotted out in threads on here and roll my eyes.

Will get slated for saying it but a part of the problem was she was so pretty. It seemed to give her an exemption from being a decent person and her friends and parents pandered to her. Also meant the boyfriend stuck around despite the red flags. He paid a high price for that.

What’s it on?

I watched it, it was so sad and such a terrible waste of life. She is truly a warped person.

I thought the friend's dad was very intelligent and honest, he wasn't gunning for her, he knew her parents were doing her no favours with their attitude.