Who Killed Jon Bonet Ramsey

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Anyone watching it on Netflix? Half way through the 2nd episode.

not a shred of evidence against the family so far but that ransom note is so so odd

that poor poor girl 😔😔

I think that’s what I found so compelling about the series - here we all are 30 years later pouring over bits of this case like they’re canon. Except what if they aren’t? How can we trust all these podcasts and true crime series if the information they use is flawed? There were no footprints in the snow because as the crime scene photos show there wasn’t much on the ground; the manufacturing chain for the underwear was investigated and nothing was found; Patsy behaved ‘wrong’, except there are many clips in the series that undermine that. What I learned from the series is that too much of this true crime stuff is based on feelings and cherry picking evidence to fit a theory. And yes to pp, someone in Boulder police deserves locking up for how this was all handled.

Once Patsy set everything in motion with that crazy phone call to police, John had little choice.

Even their best friends were suspicious of them.

You think a nine year old fashioned a garrotte, sexually assaulted his sister, strangled his sister, tortured her and then caved her skull in with a heavy object? A nine year old?

The DNA was probably just random from when her knickers were manufactured, is what some investigators believed. It was a tiny amount.

The garrotte was used. JonBenet haemorrhaged as a result. She was sexually assaulted with the handle of the paintbrush used to make the garrotte. This was the work of a man, not a woman or child.

DNA … garrote, paint brush … I’m not buying the DNA was from the panty factory. There must be DNA

It was DNA of a white male and they investigated the entire manufacturing line (in China) and couldn’t match it to anyone.

Bingo

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I hope they don’t still hold ‘beauty’ pageants for little girls. They’re more unnerving than the gravelly tape confessions.

That poor child. She was offered little dignity in life or death.

I just hope that whomever was responsible makes a deathbed confession and allows this girl to finally rest.

Vanity fair did such a good long form piece on this case - really shows how bad the investigation was and the privileges allowed to the family. There was no chance of conclusive evidence after that point.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/1997/10/jonbenet-ramsey-murder-missing-innocence?srsltid=AfmBOooXbpfx_cxD7RVNwFgjXKbkyFc0Osyd0HpDKr0OiQTf4pJutSOO
I did also listen to something that made a good point about the ransom note essentially saying ‘go back to sleep you will need energy’ - they said it was likely the mom (who found the note in the morning) who wrote it in case the dad found it in the night and went searching. (As if anyone would go back to bed in those circumstances). She was also
wearing the same clothes from the previous day apparently and seems maybe she had been up all night…

I read the comments in the DM about this case. A lot of people blame the parents and JonBenet herself for wearing inappropriate clothes. It’s very disturbing. Someone also refers to her mums death from cancer in her 40’s as karma.

The police were shockingly incompetent and after so long I'm not sure we'll get answers unless there's some sort of confession.
I always thought it was Burke but after seeing the documentary I think it has to be an intruder . I really think it would be impossible for the parents to live up to that level of scrutiny for decades and not crumble if it was them .

I'm only halfway through the second episode. Had to pause last night and take a break around the mock trial part after the child abuse "expert" comments about JonBenet dancing with the saxophone.
I can't put into words how disgusted I felt.

Two 10yr olds abducted, tortured and killed James Bulger. It does happen

@BritishDesiGirl

He would have had to be seriously mentally unwell to do that though. The boys who killed James were arrested soon afterwards and faced the consequences. One seems to have been rehabilitated back into society, the other one hasn't. My point is, if Burke did kill her and got away with it, it's likely he would have gone on to attack others. That doesn't seem to have happened though.

I've studied this case extensively. No one has ever posited that Burke deliberately killed her. Clearly it was an accident.

Patsy and John are OBSESSED with "image." Read their own book to understand their psychology. They felt they had to deflect from Burke, came up with this clumsy scheme and were lucky enough to draw the dumbest cops in Boulder working the Christmas Day shift. Cops who were intimidated by wealth and allowed evidence to be mishandled.

If John cooperated with this latest film, you can bet it's skewed and self-serving.

Her photographer that took glamour shots of her was later charged with child pornography

Please don't use that expression. Children cannot consent.

Your should say Child Sexual Abuse Material.

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@BettyBardMacDonald

I was responding to someone who was suggesting that he did deliberately kill her. I agree that it is possible that he killed her accidentally. He possibly didn't and still doesn't realize that he did it if his parents were clever about how they dealt with it in the immediate aftermath.

Btw some experts posit there was no sexual assault, just chronic inflammation from fecal and urinal incontinence.

I've never believed she was molested. Patsy (the fashion diva who somehow wore the same clothing all night) hd a wild imagination and set the stage with the garrotte, wine cellar, etc. And of course the absurd ransom note.

Real intruders don't leave notes like that. Especially written on paper from the house.

I just don't understand how anyone can look past the ransom note (of which there were drafts found). It just could not have been written by an intruder. If the ransom note was written by the mother then it had to be the family who killed her (whether deliberately or accidentally).

Why were there no footprints in the snow and undisturbed spider webs at egress points?

There was no intruder. Even Patsy and John's friends distanced themselves due to suspicion.

Read the Ramsay's own book; the hubris leaping from every page will enlighten you as to how they could maintain the facade.

And why is the date on her tombstone Dec 24? Why did they choose that when her body wasn't found until halfway through Dec 25?

Btw some experts posit there was no sexual assault, just chronic inflammation from fecal and urinal incontinence.

What 'experts' are these? The coroner who examined her determined she was sexually assaulted. I'm not aware of anyone else examining her corpse.

the programme addressed this - at one side of the house there was a very light dusting of snow, but on the other side of the house (where the window was to the cellar) there was no snow at all - police photographs from the time confirmed this.

I said on pp that the ransom note is just not something I can get past, it makes zero sense. Unless it was someone who worked with John closely and knew personal things about salary/bonus etc but even then it makes no sense.

I don't think anyone will be brought to justice or will ever truly know what happened to this poor girl.

Aside from everything else the beauty pageant stuff was just disgusting. My twin girls dance (they're 6) and when they do shows I refuse to put make up on them because they're 6, but I can tell you that I'm in the minority and most parents do send their children, even younger than mine in full make up.